Speaker: Copyright Must Change
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bands I was in 15 years ago were charging and getting twice what the average band feels they can charge now, and that's adirect result of eroded respect for the value of music.
You need some education, Rob.
as for L.E.D's, yes indeed 2 good albums, (I particularly like the track Slow from the new album). all self funded and recorded. ...
But hasn't that always been the case? Haven't acts often had to pay their own way for a time?
everyone wants to put the face of success on their projects cos nothing breeds success like... well success,
The more things change...
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You rang?
He said *one of* the most important, not *the* most important.
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Bang! Bang! Eche, for example, who played the Music Month showcase this month after storming the US college charts and touring the US and Europe. Don't they count?
And there they are on eMusic. Fancy that, some kids from Christchurch just earned a couple of my dollars.
Robbery: in response to your earlier question about my preference for using film for education, the problem I identified is not with copy-protection per se, but with the DVD format itself. I think that at present we'll cope, but within a few years the DVD will have gone the way of the 8-track and we'll be using files on hard drives exclusively. If anyone has any sense, we'll be able to bookmark our own loops within those files and move between them at will, essentially creating our own chapter selection. This doesn't have to violate any DRM, and seems to me something even lecturers can cope with.
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He said *one of* the most important, not *the* most important.
and he used the word vibrant too. so can I take it you're in agreement with that sweeping statement.
can we have the top 5 lists of most important and or vibrant please.
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see I told you this was going to be hard. I so wanted to do a one line take down but its not going to be that easy.
And yet all you did was underline just how out of touch you seem to be. You tell me to get out sometimes? I think that's probably better directed back at you. Lots has happened in the past decade or three but large swathes of it seem to have either missed you completely. You don't have to like it or understand it, which I know you don't, but you have to be woefully in denial not to think it's one of the most important musical genres of all time.
Unless the past three decades don't count I guess..maybe they don't if you're an 'average band' wondering why you can't pull a crowd and tossing around blame.
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But hasn't that always been the case? Haven't acts often had to pay their own way for a time?
ask simon, he's old and has his finger on the pulse.
my observation was not so much pay their own way for a while. I think the LED's are already at a valid place in the cultural hierarchy of the country. there isn't necessarily anywhere to go. They're respected, they're championed by a media mogul, and yet they can't pay for their next album. good will only goes so far. that's all i'm saying. and no one owes them a living but if russell wants to hear what they come up with next (it may be gems it may be turds) then the order of things isn't going to ensure that and all the emusic listed tracks they can put up isn't really going to help.
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Oh robbery. Are you a 'hiphop sucks' person? Don't be that guy!
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And there they are on eMusic. Fancy that, some kids from Christchurch just earned a couple of my dollars.
and your point. didn't you just read me saying their parents are funding their career. not emusic downloads. the misconception is that music (film or books) is cheap to do. there is no cost, and individual instantiation (ie one group or artist) of it it can go on for ever as it is. I'm saying it can't.
I've lost track of why this is a point of contention. oh hang on ,yep, 101 pages.
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and he used the word vibrant too. so can I take it you're in agreement with that sweeping statement.
I'd argue that the biggest selling musical genre of the past thirty or so years (check Billboard and Soundscan if you want) and perhaps the dominant youth musical style in NZ may have some vibrancy about it.
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Oh robbery. Are you a 'hiphop sucks' person? Don't be that guy!
I purposely didn't say anything of the sort, I just thought it was a high claim to make and a partially irrelevant one too, what's genre got to do with i?.
I notice you didn't show your colours on that comment either. you want to sit on the fence on it too? -
Oh robbery. Are you a 'hiphop sucks' person? Don't be that guy!
And here I thought he was young!
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My point was that I was able to purchase their music, saving their parents a couple of dollars. In fact, tens of thousands of people are, if they hear the music, and like it.
But whatever.
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may have some vibrancy about it.
that's cos you're hip and with the kids man.
all depends what circles you move in though don't it.
me, not so much with the tagging and ass crack pants.
maybe that's a look that works for you, i'm not judging,as for "perhaps the dominant", you don't seem too sure,you want to chck some charts for that?
you auckland centric kinda guy.
didn't see a lot of it in oamaru myself, -
couple of dollars?
I thought it was 20 cents a track and they only had an ep out.
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US$0.25 per track (the rate at which I bought them) for 5 tracks equals NZ$2.12.
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you are not
simon, wha'ts wrong with you man. its not about me, its about live music venues. I'm tellingyou about the music venues in nz and you're teling me I'm full of shit. you're bringing in fact and figures from the rest of the world on an nz centric website and saying everything is rosey and going forward. fine, believe that if you want.
and since you're so concerened about my well being the last 2 gigs I played in auckland were well attended. I'm fine. I didnt lose any money. just the way I like it.
The people I played with who seem to be in demand say they won't do other gigs unless they break even cos it costs them too much. go figure? -
Actually, I bought them at US$0.27, so it's NZ$2.29, for those following along at home.
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and your point. didn't you just read me saying their parents are funding their career. not emusic downloads.
So sweet FA has changed..but at least they have a shot rather than blaming everyone else when nobody is interested.
You are getting bitter there Rob, and you can't even back your bitterness with data.
Thing is, in this NZ Music month, NZ music is in the healthiest state it's ever been in. More acts are making more music and making more impact globally than ever before. They find a way, they don't just moan and make excuses which is what I'm reading from you. Bands like ones mentioned on this thread are making a noise and getting noticed, the world has not collapsed around them because they have no desire to be 'average'. It doesn't matter if they get funding from their parents, church group or whoever, they do it.
Nobody is coming to our gigs because music has been devalued is just pathetic.
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Unless the past three decades don't count I guess..maybe they don't if you're an 'average band' wondering why you can't pull a crowd and tossing around blame.
awww, come on man, you'll hurt my feelings if you say things like that..... no wait, I'm fine, completely secure in my own tastes what ever they might be and not looking for someone else to validate my opinions on musical greatness.
I'm fine with you loving both the hip and the hop. knock yourself out wicki wicki wicki etc.are we going to analyze your musical output? didn't you play bass in a band somewhere last century?
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hot rather than blaming everyone else when nobody is interested.
stop it simon,. thats rubbish. I'm giving you examples of real world situations. how are you going to solve problems if you don't open your eyes and see them for what they are. maybe its
not a problem at all, maybe its had its time and we can all move on to cyber bands created by computers to match our perfect tastes.just stop telling me white is black or vis versa
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me, not so much with the tagging and ass crack pants.... I'm fine with you loving both the hip and the hop. knock yourself out wicki wicki wicki etc.
Oh no! You *are* that guy!
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This doesn't have to violate any DRM, and seems to me something even lecturers can cope with.
sounds reasonable but until then what do you suggest?
sounds like we need a dvd player that lets you punch in a time and it goes straight to there.
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I'm full of shit. you're bringing in fact and figures from the rest of the world on an nz centric website and saying everything is rosey and going forward. fine, believe that if you want.
I will..Smashproof is playing to full houses on the back of an indie smash, nationwide. P Money always plays to full houses, there are a raft of young indie acts in Ak who pull regular good crowds and break even...they often hire a hall or rent a room and do well..sometimes not. It's the game. I bet they don't make excuses and blame devaluation of the music when they don't.
Live venues have always been risky ventures..few survive because few acts have always been able to pull the crowds. Which is why most of the live venues in NZ eventually go bust or their owners pull the plug.
didn't see a lot of it in oamaru myself,
I guess, then Rob, it may have passed you by
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Oh no! You *are* that guy!
gee, big surprise, you could just go look at my label catalogue and pick that. no prize for you.
and yet we don't know which girl you are.
how convenient I can't take the piss out of your musical taste :) -
I bet they don't make excuses and blame devaluation of the music when they don't.
what are you, like 12 in the school yard or something. you going to sit on my chest and force me to eat grass or something?
since when did discussing a subject become making excuses?I guess, then Rob, it may have passed you by
and you missed my location point.
sitting from where you are it may well look like the whole world revolves around 2 turntables and a microphone. you are the title of your blog thats for sure.
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