Speaker: Copyright Must Change
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Straining to see any resemblance to a point.
Point? I need a point? On this thread?
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I believe it's either discouraged, or not allowed.
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Point? I need a point? On this thread?
True, I wouldn't want you to break the habits of a lifetime.
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who saw "Disco" as a way of improving sales of records that required no real bands.
I don't get the logic in that at all.
What makes a real band? most of them are one or 2 opinionated guys and their malleable friends. why would a session musician be any more desirable than an unpaid friend?
I don't recall anyone opposing live performance in favour of discos (the act of playing records in venues as opposed to the music genre) to increase record sales. what possible advantage could that be to the selling of recorded music.live musicians on the other hand were seeing their previous paying gig being taken by 2 turntables and a microphone and objected to that.
dj's were cheaper initially cos there was only one - 2 people in the crew to pay as opposed to a 4 piece band sound and lighting. -
Had a hunt on format shifting.
Our amended act does indeed have oddly limited exemptions for format shifting.
Negative for prosecutions, but for idiot - idiot - RIANZ spokespeople see: http://www.aardvark.co.nz/daily/2004/0709.shtml.
I think things everyone agrees are not wrong should not be illegal, and in the case of format shifting it's not a question of degree either.
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Negative for prosecutions, but for idiot - idiot- RIANZ spokespeople see:
an old interview and bizarrely terrible on the part of rianz. what crap answers to easy questions.
can a cd burner be used legally?
yes, for backing up data, for recording your own music onto cds, or music that you have that is without copyright.
he should have just said we're having trouble wording the legislation so that it protects our rights while allowing people to do reasonable things with the music they've purchased (which does not include giving copyrighted stuff it to all their friends or putting online for anyone to grab, but does include making mix discs for yourself and backups)I think things everyone agrees are not wrong should not be illegal, and in the case of format shifting it's not a question of degree either.
has anyone outline what the legal problems are with having that written into the law? it seems so obvious yet it hasn't been done, not that anyone has ever been done for it so I don't see why its trundled out as a glowing example of how peoples rights are being fucked with. its a hangover lose end that hasn't been tidied up yet, but no threat to anyone apparently. a non issue.
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3410,
Lyndon's aardvark link.
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diot- RIANZ spokespeople
Ah, yes, the unlamented Mr Gladding. No longer part of RIANZ, or Sony, I believe. There is a Michael Gladding who became CE of NZ Football last year, but I don't know if it's the same guy)
I remember that post - my, how we larfed
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I remember that post - my, how we larfed
And if, as we're told by Gladding, it's okay to ignore this part of the copyright Act, why on earth should we bother observing any other part of it?
That's a pretty lame argument though.
one part needs revising doesn't make the whole concept bollocks and this is merely one person and one part of the whole picture, he doesn't represent me or anyone I know.I think simon knew him an had nice things to day about him though, or was that another major label big wig?
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Although there were no "official" statements issiued on this at the time there were people (Ashley Kozac springs to mind, yes I am that old and I was there) who saw "Disco" as a way of improving sales of records that required no real bands. Session musos and producers, such as himself, could produce records without relying on real bands and live performance and the sales push would be through "Discos"
Oh twaddle. Sure the music industry made some fast money out of disco (and even more when it mutated into house) but the real investment was always bands. Do you want me to give you a list of the bands who were getting substantial investment and returning massively at the time, or will I leave that to you since you were there.
Ah, yes, the unlamented Mr Gladding. No longer part of RIANZ, or Sony, I believe.
er...laugh all you want Mark, but Michael is / was one of the true heroes of the New Zealand recording (as in recording local acts) industry. I could start a list here which would continue down the page of the acts that he funded, supported, recorded and released that he simply didn't have to (and risked his job doing so).
He was one of the cornerstones of the reformation of the major labels in NZ in the 1990s from foreign companies who released 'product' to active players in the development of NZ's musical landscape.
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Ashley Kozac
That's your source (I had to ask myself who?)?
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[posts link, flees]
Don't feel like getting into what sounds catty but thanks Lyndon, that was what felt like grass roots and I felt at home. I like.
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Thanks, Lyndon - that story fleshes out another angle.
I don’t think its negatively impacting the sales potential of what it is sampling. I think its probably turning a lot of people onto different music, and a younger generation onto older [stuff] they wouldn’t potentially listen to.
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For me the main commentary is this. All bands by releasing music to the public, are asking for attention. You’re creating a character. Whether you’re doing it by creating a character like Radiohead who really tried to come off as artsy and intelligent – or whether you want to come across like Justin Timberlake, where you want to come across as hip and sexy, or whether you want to come across as 2 Live Crew, and be abrasive and offensive. You’re still creating a character. It doesn’t really represent you as a human being, and you’re selling that character.I think there is a big difference between samples/mashups and unaltered copying of the entire piece, and between established artists and new ones. American fair use provisions - and the consequent focus on concepts like 'commentary' and 'transformation' - also seem rather different in our country, from what others have said previously.
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Hey Simon, I'm very happy for him, but frankly, so what? Here he was, acknowledging that one part of his business operated at the expense of the other part, and advising customers to break the law. What's not to laugh?
You're only as good as your last hit, and he clearly never understood the Internet, or the implications of what he was selling. Time to move on.
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and advising customers to break the law.
or acknowledging the problems in it. he didn't write the law after all.
some of those other answers were pretty bad though, but remember it was a mid 2004 article. over 4 years ago. I doubt anything was clearer then than now.I'd be keen to see the list of bands he helped record simon.
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Merit, who the hell cares about merit? Just toe the line will you little ol' NZ, else the big boys will remove the much talked about free-trade-carrot . And if the big boys subsequently change their mind because their solution is unworkable, then deal with it.
If 2 out of 3 of the the Chinese, the Russians and the Indians decide not to follow America's lead, how does it impact the situation?
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the intro to this seems to frame an idea or 2 quite nicely....and then there's the whole titanic-defeatist metaphor.
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Whoops ...
Citing the impracticalities and complexities associated administering with a three strike policy, the UK Minister of Intellectual Property, David Lammy has been quoted by the BBC and in The Times as saying that the British government is no longer interested in making ISPs police file-sharing or disconnecting users as part of a three strike policy, similar to the laws soon to be imposed in New Zealand.
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Quite.
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Russell, I was just about to post Pat Pilcher's article. He is doing a great job over at The Herald and I suggest, Mark Harris, that you might like to show a little more appreciation if he shows up on this thread again...
The Irish are with NZ, however. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/0129/1232923373331.html
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something strikes me as a bit odd about that Irish times article.
Key point 1.
an agreement reached between Eircom and four major record companies in the High Court yesterday.
So, in short an agreement reached.
Key point 2.
As part of the settlement, the record companies will supply Eircom with the IP addresses of all persons who they detect illegally uploading or downloading copyright works.
Eircom will then contact the subscribers directly and either warn them or terminate their account.
It looks to be a model in which the record companies tell the ISP the IP of the alleged infringer and ISP agrees to take action.
And then why not close things of with a statement regarding the fesability of P2P filtering.It is also understood some other providers do not have the technical ability to monitor peer to peer traffic.
(Hmmm perhaps following the lead of the Irish times, I need to finish off with something a little out of left field)
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as well as the spectre of having to disconnect repeat copyright infringing customers.
phew, wouldn't want the people who profit from selling access to media they don't own having to deal with the 'sprectre' of having to tell people who repeatedly give a fuck you to media creators, owners and producers a talking to.
how are ISPs the good guys in this equation again. the last time I checked they were mega corporations themselves. lets see a little hatin' in there direction
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It is also understood some other providers do not have the technical ability to monitor peer to peer traffic.
what a load of bollocks. If a shitty little operator like xnet in nz can detect and filter out peer to peer in nz I'm sure a backwater Irish (no offense meant don) isp can figure it out.
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Hmm, more format shifting: 'Thriller' director sues Michael Jackson
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I have just seen the UK Culture Secretary live on the BBC making a statement regarding the digital economy in the House of Commons about the creation of a new agency to fund creative industries, ISP responsibilities ...(though no details on the methods). "Digital Britain" Report seems to be the name of the statement.
Now watching the ensuing questions....which includes criticism that the contents were deliberately leaked to the media before the statement was made.
The Times seems to be one of the parties that had access and have posted this.
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