OnPoint: Dear Labour Caucus
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
(I hasten to add that I, for one, welcome our new Broadcasting Overlord.)
I guess this wouldn’t be the right time to discuss an appearance free for my turn here in a fortnight. :)
Now, Shearer needs to spend his Summer break watching this... and taking notes. We must be entertained!
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merc, in reply to
He's not, there will be a heavy price to pay for his other pets...think insurance.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
“They are your enemies”, whispers his sinister Grand Vizier,
Who got Grand Vizier? Why hasn't this been reported? Bloody media.
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Lew Stoddart, in reply to
Yeah, there’s an underlying assumption in asking the question which could be crudely summed up as ‘what’s in it for me?’, rather than ‘what’s in it for all of us?’
I don’t tend to vote based on just my own narrow self-interests.
I have, in the past, railed against the damfool working poor who vote for a Tory government on cultural grounds of social-conservatism or petit-authoritarianism while folk like me -- who do OK economically under a National government -- vote for parties who have their best interests at heart. I may at times have expressed views along the lines of "why the fuck don't I just vote for me, and if you lot are too stupid to vote for you then tough".
While I retain some residual resentment, it's a simplistic, deleterious view. Non-material things matter, and the left's proposition to the electorate -- especially to the working class -- must be couched in broader terms than just "we're on your side, you dumb bastards". And a more just and equal society benefits everyone -- the wealthy included. Though perhaps not strictly in terms of how many superyachts they can afford.
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Rich Lock, in reply to
an appearance free
Freudian slip? No such thing as a mistake?
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Russell Brown, in reply to
I know the conversation has moved on, but… how is Giovanni’s remark an unreasonable response? I too am perfectly well-served by either Labour or National in government, because I’m middle-class and well-off.
Damian was responding to the claim that there's little or no difference between Labour and National and said he thought that in a New Zealand context Labour could be identified with the left. Perhaps I was wrong, but informing him that as a middle-class professional he'd be all right whatever happened didn't seem all that helpful. But anyway, 'twas but a moment in a rather grumpy thread.
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Rich Lock, in reply to
I suspect that rather neatly sums up and crystalises my fuzzy ill-thought-out view on this. So, uh, thank you?
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Isaac Freeman, in reply to
Labour is not the Greens, for whom an influential niche position is a significant achievement. It is, or ought to be, a mass movement.
I'll bite.
I'd suggest that one of the difficulties facing Labour is a lingering attachment to previous generations when it was a mass movement. The ghosts of past glories sit in judgement of the current generation, and find everything they do wanting.
Reconnecting with the past is useful inasmuch as it helps people identify their values, but it can also lead to a cargo cult mentality of trying to reconstruct the old mass movement instead of serving a new one. -
Bart Janssen, in reply to
I’m grieving somewhat that we didn’t get Chris Finlayson as new Minister of Broadcasting [...] So Broadcasting goes to … Craig Foss
Cry me a river ... we got bloody Steven "we don't need your stinking evidence" Joyce as minister of science and innovation
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Cry me a river ... we got bloody Steven "we don't need your stinking evidence" Joyce as minister of science and innovation
Suck it up, lab coat guy.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
And who would have thought of Peter Dunne as the coiffed white knight of public television?
How ridiculous. He belatedly styles himself as the saviour of TVNZ 7, but then confesses that he asked the government and the government said "no", so he's going to "put pressure on the TVNZ board". Arrgh.
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Bart Janssen, in reply to
Suck it up, lab coat guy.
Fully expecting a ring road to be built around Mt Albert Research Centre
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Sacha, in reply to
start tailoring your grant applications to the interests of provincial trucking/construction magnates and you'll be sweet.
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Sacha, in reply to
every KAREN node deserves some asphalt - to remind us all of what really counts
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Sacha, in reply to
Arrgh
heh. I knew that'd work :)
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Sacha, in reply to
He belatedly styles himself
many times throughout the working day
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Russell Brown, in reply to
many times throughout the working day
Oh, bravo.
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
Freudian slip? No such thing as a mistake?
Preparing myself for disappointment. :)
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BenWilson, in reply to
Fully expecting a ring road to be built around Mt Albert Research Centre
It's actually nearly complete.
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Leopold, in reply to
`The coiffed white knight`' of public broadcasting and TV?
Your evidence is??
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Sacha, in reply to
sarcasm
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
Damian was responding to the claim that there’s little or no difference between Labour and National and said he thought that in a New Zealand context Labour could be identified with the left.
Yup, and it struck me as a pretty uncontroversial observation. Labour is firmly on the centre-left and National on the centre-right. Obviously, plenty of people around here would like it if Labour’s centre of gravity was more leftish, just as it should be blindingly obvious there are many ways I’d like National to be fiscally drier and socially more “classically liberal”/libertarian than it actually is. But outside the WhaleOily/Standardista bubble, anyone who thinks either party is on the flaming fringes needs to get out of the house more.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
Feathers day...
Why hasn't this been reported?
Bloody media.Some fool taught the Ravens to say
"Here pussy, pussy, pussy..."
I am a CERN troll...Fully expecting a ring road to be built
around Mt Albert Research CentreExcellent place to hide a particle accelerator!
Joycean trucks, going faster and faster until
they blur and turn into butter... -
Bart Janssen, in reply to
Fully expecting a ring road to be built around Mt Albert Research Centre
It's actually nearly complete.
Don't be silly it's one way and far too narrow, some of the corners are too tight for 100 kph turns, pedestrians are still allowed to use the road to access greenhouses and labs, there is no dedicated parking building, resources that could have been spent on improving vehicle access to the site have wasted on failed research project (only successful projects will be funded in the future) ridiculous gates and site security has been installed that merely slow delivery truck access, space has been wasted providing secure covered bicycle parking, ...
We have so much to look forward to ...
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Stewart, in reply to
These Joycean trucks - has he put a tiger in the tank?
And should Fonterrible be worried about the new source of butter?
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