Hard News: The TVNZ 7 Internet Debate
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On the copyright thing, I have always considered that once something is "out there" on the net it is really in the public domain, as it were. Like it or not if you can download, watch, listen or read something from the comfort of your own home then how can anybody say that you are stealing? repackaging, on the other hand, and selling that content to a less net savvy person is just plain wrong. There are questions as to how freely available material can make money for the originator and if it can't then why would they bother to create content?. In my view a lot of stuff churned out for profit is pure Shiite (think boy bands, Iain Wishart and Rocky 12).
Real artists do not need that instant gratification in the form of cash sales per unit. They crave the admiration and acceptance that comes from people seeing, hearing or reading their works and that leads to the fame and fortune that comes to worthy creators.
Well that's what I think anyhoo.
How do you make a question out of that? -
'Real artists' still need to eat.
But that's what you're asking, isn't it? -
'Real artists' still need to eat.
Food would surely come under instant gratification. No real artist needs that.
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@ Steve
"Public domain" is a specific legal state where all claim to a particular thing has been disavowed or has lapsed. Just because something is available to the public (even for free) does not mean is is in the public domain.Having said that, the intarwebs do make a bit of a mockery of copyright law, but that doesn't mean the law doesn't exist.
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'Real artists' still need to eat.
Back in the day, there was patronage there still is support for artists in this country. The point is, you can't just one day decide to be an artist and expect people to give you everything you desire.
I, for one, find it appalling that some jumped up little smartarse can become a gazilionair just by being pushed by a record company and, maybe, the interwebs will put an end to this and at the same time give real talent a window of opportunity.
The irony is that the free market hates anyone getting anything for free. After all, they need to get their lunch on the expense account eh? -
Relevant-to-something-above stuff you've probably seen if your interested:
The Onion has Obama's inbox
BoingBoing: Copyright's Paradox: brilliantly argued scholarly book tackles free speech vs. copyright
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..Peering..
There has been plenty of industry action on this over the last 18 months. Problem is, it does not make commercial sense for every ISP to 'peer' with everyone else.
Telecom has launched its Local Peering offering and apparently has a couple of ISPs hooked up already. Can't find the launch stuff but you can read about their pilot announcement here
To go further the MED has required Telecom to consult with the industry via the Telecommunications Carrier's Forum on NGN IP Interconnection which is 'apparently' going well.
Rather than questioning the pollies on something that is getting sorted my preference would be to find out;
Even with $0.5Billion or $1.5Billion investment - can they confirm that they do not expect the 'rural' customers to get DSL, let alone fibre and that the only services that the 'last 5%' of the population will get wil be supplied by wireless (3G or WiMax) or Satellite operators.
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tub-thumping about the hopeless Clydesdale paper
DuFresne has, as they say, "issues". I remember him throwing a tanty over astronomers not providing him with a spectacular enough meteor shower.
His oh-so-noble defence of Clydesdale's right to be heard of course disingenuously reduces the debate to ONLY the right to be heard and discards anything like peer review or accountability - and he shows his dishonesty by repeatedly complaining that people who are "left wing" in his estimation (seemingly everyone from Genghiz Kahn to William Morris) are given undeserved exposure by the liberal media.
I love Kim Hill's interviews because they're with people who have achieved something, who have made discoveries, who tell me what I don't know about the world. DuFresne just wants ideological reassurance and bugger the quality. McInterviews with McVicar perhaps?
What a vindictive, small-minded mediocrity of intellect he has!
Still, he has one outstanding quality - the amazing psychic ability to discern people's motives and thoughts without any visible evidence, which he frequently displays in his tirades. Maybe he shouldn't be on the Media 7 panel, but Sensing Murder instead?
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Khan! Damnit! No relation of Herman.
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... or should it be "KHAAAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!!!"?
Sorry.
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Just because something is available to the public (even for free) does not mean is is in the public domain.
Having said that, the intarwebs do make a bit of a mockery of copyright law, but that doesn't mean the law doesn't exist.That was , kinda, my point, that's why I said "in the public domain, as it were." A law that is, virtually, unenforceable and so easily and regularly broken is a bad law. I think a system such as the old TV licencing system, paid through the ISP, is a better way to go.
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Naturally, I'm interested in what correspondents to the country's cleverest discussion forums think,
I think its essential that you focus as much of the panels time on the importance of media content remaining as copyable as possible. really hammer that home.
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They crave the admiration and acceptance that comes from people seeing, hearing or reading their works and that leads to the fame and fortune that comes to worthy creators.
that sentence makes more sense if you startd with the word initially.
admiration and acceptance does' feed you or pay your rent, something you're going to have to do if you wish to devote anything but your spare time between delivering mail and working that second job on night shift to your art.it's a highly romanticised version of the life of an artists which misses out that artists mostly live in the same world as the rest of us, and that world has no room for freeloading, unless its unprotected media through a broadband connection. food rent gas clothes all cost.
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doesn't feed you or pay your rent
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Russell, on the Digital Divide matter, can you ask what the parties are planning on doing to remove online barriers for disabled people in publicly funded sites and services. Ta.
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Oh and all the best to you and Damien for tonight. I'm pretty sure Mr. Christie could have done without this drama:
Radio New Zealand's Morning Report host Sean Plunket says he is "moving on and looking for a new job" after 11 years with state radio.
Radio New Zealand insiders said that difficult relations with RNZ boss Peter Cavanagh had come to a head when the CEO banned him from hosting tonight's pre-election debate about the internet on TVNZ 7 Freeview.
Now, I get that all media gossip needs to be taken with a pound of salt and a case of tequila, but this is a bloody shame if true. I've had my criticisms of Plunket in the past -- and I've heard he can be *ahem* a prickly customer to work with -- but he's been doing great work recently and it would be a shame if he left.
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Oh and all the best to you and Damien for tonight. I'm pretty sure Mr. Christie could have done without this drama:
Crikey. I didn't expect that dispute to go public quite so soon ...
Damian will kick ass.
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Crikey. I didn't expect that dispute to go public quite so soon ...
Really? I thought RNZ was the kind of workplace that put the "diss" into "dysfunctional". But, yes, I'm confident that Damian will do the whole geek with gravitas thing perfectly. :)
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Well that would explain how deeply pissed off he looked on telly the other night, alongside the diminutive Ms Watkins.
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Heck, I just started a post with the Ranapia "W" word. Doctor!
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Not strictly copyright but you could ask about the satire/ridicule limitations on the use of the parliament video.
FYI there is copyright stuff being proposed to happen for commissioning and parody/satire -
It appears from the Herald article linked to above... that Mr Plunket's boss doesnt want "his talent" promoting other "stations"...
Now in a commercial TV or radio situation, I'd find that quite an understandable position..... but seeing as they are both state-run enterprises that are not strictly relying on ratings for revenue, that seems a little odd to me.
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Not strictly copyright but you could ask about the satire/ridicule limitations on the use of the parliament video.
The limitations they relaxed a couple of weeks back?
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The limitations they relaxed a couple of weeks back?
The limitations that they clarified as being what I thought they were anyway, but yes.
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I'm on set at the moment, just about to do a rehearsal. Damian's going well.
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