Hard News by Russell Brown

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Hard News: The fake news problem

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  • Dennis Frank, in reply to Stephen R,

    Yes, Stephen, I did mean community in that more general sense. It's probably happening to some extent via social media, but nowhere near enough. A sense of community will co-generate whenever/wherever folks are in frequent interaction with each other on the basis of common interests, shared values, beliefs, etc.

    Once such social organisms start functioning, each will generate a distinctive culture that will become evident to observers. Having evolved as social animals, we need to belong to such groups, and their culture gives us a social ambience as part of our environment. The generic symbol for the holistic relation (of part to whole) is the circle with a dot at its center. Goes back millennia.

    New Zealand • Since Jun 2016 • 292 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Dennis Frank,

    aliens

    I had my tongue firmly in my cheek then.

    Selfishness seems to have become amplified by capitalist marketing

    And, that now totally debased thing called, new age.
    FFS corporations and politicians do "self-improvement" workshops now and foist the drivel, they found sooooo involving on their company weekend away, onto employees.
    Jeez Social Welfare, or whatever they call themselves now, do it in workshops for the unemployed. All it amounts to is guilt tripping everyone. And all "jobseekers" to forced to attend now

    everyone is into their own thing

    Sorry but that cant include your employment, what you do to earn a crust.
    there will always be a bigger community....out there somewhere

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • Dennis Frank, in reply to andin,

    The new age thing really did turn to custard big-time in the nineties. There was always a large quotient of delusional thinking around the various fields it encompassed since theosophy invented the concept late nineteenth century. Esoteric shit goes back millennia but you can always discover elements of reality under the dross - if you go looking for them.

    Likewise the et dimension. Too many credible eyewitness accounts have been proliferating for generations to dismiss them along with the nutters. I ended up using both/and logic just like modern physics: until the observer collapses the wave function, something is real/unreal. I don't believe in them, never having seen any. Neither do I disbelieve.

    Re employment & WINZ nazis, yeah, I get why they become targets to people. State agents import a distasteful set of attitudes from both left & right governments. Having retired, I can only sympathise with folks having to endure the crap still, and with employment becoming unreliable there's a worsening trend.

    New Zealand • Since Jun 2016 • 292 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Dennis Frank,

    retired

    Would if i could. This is not a society many thought the young would inherit. navel gazing is pointless at this stage. It went horribly wrong in the 80's And the loud voices took control, and resurrected a hollowed out morality to browbeat their more introspect peers and force a competitive society onto us. It was a bad direction even back then.
    But if your pockets are being filled conscience becomes secondary it seems. And now fake everything, spin prevails. Will it be kept up till extinction. I can only hope, no.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    80s Taoist vampires. My favourite kind.

    And now, my YouTube feed is full of oriental vampire movies. Thanks, Joe.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2935 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to andin,

    not a society many thought the young would inherit.

    I’m sure that the “guardians” of the society that we kiddies of the sixties inherited , expressed similar views.
    That did not stop us from turning the whole thing on its head ; the young of today have the same opportunity to rock the boat.
    I attended a catholic boys boarding school for five years in the sixties ; it needed a
    ” refresh” and it sure as hell got one, at some cost to those of us who endured the rattan cane that was the main weapon of the “old guard”.
    But there was no chance that they were going to break us ; indestructible youth :-)

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 778 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    That did not stop us from turning the whole thing on its head

    But you didn’t, not really, not in New Zealand.
    Keith Holyoake ————-–> Bill English.
    “Follow England and Vote Holyoake”

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to mark taslov,

    True, but the cane is no longer in use , and the school in question no longer has priests as "masters".
    Still teaching the same bullshit in "Christian Doctrine", probably.

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 778 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Farmer Green,

    True, I have never been caned. Sandled, strapped, Commandoed, Barter Bulleted, Nomaded, wooden spooned,
    but never caned.
    Intermittently we awaken from our slumber. This fits the spirit.
    http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2428-how-standing-rock-gave-us-tactics-new-millennium.html

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to mark taslov,

    Intermittently we awaken from our slumber. This fits the spirit.
    http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2428-how-standing-rock-gave-us-tactics-new-millennium.html

    Forcible uprooting of any kind can be a major catalyst for taking action.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5441 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Farmer Green,

    expressed similar views.

    Their world view was very different. If they even had one in a global sense.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to andin,

    The Catholic Church didn't have a global view?
    Pull the other one :-)

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 778 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green,

    I wondered about the legal status of the land which the pipeline crossed, having recently resisted attempts by the local council to site a lake , and then more recently a cycleway on our farm.
    The top search item was this, which could be "fake news" so I'm wondering what the core issue really was.

    http://standingrockfactchecker.org/fact-checking-srst-claims-9-7-16/

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 778 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    This leads to that ending up here

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to mark taslov,

    The process looks to be “par for the course”.
    My strategy was to refuse to engage at any level, and when the council started the media campaign against me , I again ignored it, figuring that "pig wrestling ” was ill advised .
    It took ten years for the council to give up, but they went away after it was revealed that they had been devious all along in dealing with the affected neighbours , telling them that resistance was useless because I had already agreed to the proposal.

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 778 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Farmer Green,

    The Catholic Church

    Oh FFS

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to mark taslov,

    This leads to that ending up here

    Do the owners of the models' photos have a case for copyright violation against the producers of the fake Twitter accounts?

    And soon to be ex-President Obama should have invoked the Sherman Anti-Trust Act on Big Oil when he had the chance.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5441 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    I guess that would depend on who owns the copyright of the photos. You could probably ask Gabriela Gagnier directly. Not speaking Vietnamese the second model (2:50) appears more difficult to track so I gave up. My impression of this kind of thing is that it’s rife online and that chasing it down might prove costly, especially across borders.

    It seems there’s a mounting list of things Obama should have done.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to andin,

    Oh FFS

    Something like that . . . amongst other things . . . . apparently :-)

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 778 posts Report Reply

  • David Hood,

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1445 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green,

    A small slip -up at RNZ this morning : The ISIS/ISIL/Daesh " terrorists " trying to overthrow the Syrian governemnt were referred to as U.S. - backed "rebels".
    Fake news , surely.?
    Was somebody asleep at GCSB overnight?
    Heads must roll for this.
    And apparently NZ has a new "leader" Bill Li Ng Lish.

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 778 posts Report Reply

  • David Hood, in reply to Farmer Green,

    It sounds likes you are thinking there are two sides in Syria- ISIS and the Syrian government. There are a lot more than that.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/16979186

    There are groups that are both anti-Syrian government and anti-ISIS (and groups that are anti-Syrian government and anti-ISIS and anti-other-anti-Government-and-ISIS groups).

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1445 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to David Hood,

    To say that U.S. - backed “rebels” have been fighting to overthrow the Syrian governemnt is true or false , in your view?

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 778 posts Report Reply

  • David Hood, in reply to Farmer Green,

    I would say it is absolutely true, as the US backed rebels have been fighting the Government and ISIS it is true to say they have been fighting the Government. To say they are ISIS is the questionable claim. ISIS are also fighting the US backed rebels and the government.

    But in reality there are a lot more than 3 groups, so it is a lot more complicated.

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1445 posts Report Reply

  • David Hood,

    If it helps the fighting in Aleppo is between the Government and non-ISIS groups, the fighting in Palmyra is between the Government and ISIS groups

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1445 posts Report Reply

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