Hard News: Poll Day 2: Queasy
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
Media are a critical (two meanings) part of our democratic system but their increasing power, their increasing use of that power and their virtual unaccountability (especially to voters) is a major concern.
Again, the consolidation and subsequent cartelisation has a likely hand in this. And I say it again: the ComCom really needs to look into all this.
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It may be that Gower has a zinger about John Key for us tonight. If so, I hope it’s better and more fairly framed than last night’s story was
I was polled in this poll. On the basis of the questions asked me, he doesn't.
There should, however, be a story along the lines of One News' "should Collins resign over Oravida?" Because I was asked that!
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I find it very hard to watch Mr Gower any more. He is consistently and very overtly biased in his political reporting. He may have inside knowledge that causes this bias but if he wants to grow up to be a journalist he needs to learn to set that aside when reporting.
I find it difficult to understand how a newsroom that contains John Campbell (who has become a very good journalist) and the team that supports him, can also contain Mr Gower. It strikes me as odd.
As for the polls, they are the news equivalent of reality TV, sometimes entertaining (Can't. Turn. Away.) but never a source of knowledge.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
I was polled in this poll. On the basis of the questions asked me, he doesn’t.
There should, however, be a story along the lines of One News’ “should Collins resign over Oravida?” Because I was asked that!
Thanks. Can you shed any light on my questions above? Because Patrick doesn't seem inclined to.
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Russell, I like your questions, and I'd add this one:
"When are the media organisations going to provide statistical literacy training for their commentators?"
The confidence limits were + or - 3.9%, and we have them rabbiting on about shifts in numbers that were often fractions of the standard error, let alone the confidence limits.
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I'm still hoping they also asked whether John Key's silly-hat addiction was 'worthy of a Prime Minister'. But my yardstick remains last election, when they polled people on who they thought was going to win the election
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Richard Aston, in reply to
I find it difficult to understand how a newsroom that contains John Campbell (who has become a very good journalist) and the team that supports him, can also contain Mr Gower. It strikes me as odd.
Me too
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Danyl notes another distortion - only comparing the last couple of results:
http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2014/04/01/why-are-msm-poll-stories-bivariate/ -
"The missionary position's always been alright for us, so why change?"
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The issues of importance to Young People
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Can you shed any light on my questions above? Because Patrick doesn’t seem inclined to.
Sorry - honestly can't remember all the details (it was probably 10 days ago I was asked). I do recall that the Cunliffe question did use the phrase "worthy of a PM", because I thought it odd and difficult to answer, but not whether "secret trust" was included in it. I think it came after the whole business of ranking Key/Cunliffe on honesty, etc (there also were questions about understanding the economy and so on), but couldn't swear to that on a bible.
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You guys actually think Gower is pro-Nat and anti-Labour? Did you see him salivating his way around the Oravida offices?
ooooh look! Another photo of Judith Collins
Gower just likes getting a story that riles anyone up be it right or left. He’s kerrrrazy and a bit hyperbolic but I’m pretty sure he’s even handed.
We all just think the media is anti-whicheverside-we’re-on
Edit: grammar
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Bart Janssen, in reply to
Gower is pro-Nat and anti-Labour?
I think he appears to be (and in his job appearance is reality) pro John Key and very anti all of the Labour leaders on whom he has reported.
That is slightly different from being pro Nat anti Labour.
He is also almost always focused on the people in parliament and not the policies or business of running a country. The exaggerates the cult of personality that has come to dominate our politics - to its detriment IMO.
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Richard Aston, in reply to
We all just think the media is anti-whicheverside-we’re-on
But News reporters are meant to be balanced, well according to Brian Edwards. Deeper in his blog he says
But we have laws in this country about reporting in news and current affairs programmes. In those programmes journalists are required to be balanced in their reporting and analysis. The rules for TVNZ and TV3 are quite different from the rules for Fox News for example. Comment must also be clearly distinguished from straight news.
Is that true that we have laws requiring news journalists to be balanced?
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
Gower just likes getting a story that riles anyone up be it right or left. He’s kerrrrazy and a bit hyperbolic but I’m pretty sure he’s even handed.
We all just think the media is anti-whicheverside-we’re-on
Edit: grammar
So basically his primary loyalty isn't to a political party, but to TV executives.
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You guys actually think Gower is pro-Nat and anti-Labour?
No, but I am uncomfortable with the trend - Paddy is far from alone - of journalists wanting to creep onto the stage and into the spotlight.
That said, the journalist as 'star' has probably been around for longer than I care to admit - Paul Holmes certainly didnt mind the limelight.
I guess the realisation of the inevitable mismatch between the unashamedly romantic and idealistic view of the journalist as a defender of truth and justice and 'reporter-of-facts' as opposed to the journalist as 'maker and shaper of news' and as a media 'personality' is what rankles me.
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Kata,
Where is the most appropriate place to complain about the increasing prejudice of Gower's reporting. The same place we complain about Hosking's and Henry's openly biased party political broadcasts? I have never seen such a plethora of prejudicial "reporters" editorialising before. The worst part is that tax money pays for the government funded channels.
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I'm with Ruminator, Patrick Gower is a classic old-fashioned beat up artist, who'd sell his mother for a story that leads the bulletin and has him in the centre. He wouldn't sell his granny because he already has done. Back in the day he would have chain smoked, drunk like a fish, worn a fedora with a "Press" card tucked into the band and focused on a front page lead. He doesn't give a rats if the story is about David Cunliffe or John Key or Judith Collins. Its the story that counts and he tests a story subject to the max. If the subject makes a mistake however inconsequential its simply confirmation of the story. I've known a few journalists who would pull punches or make them harder depending on their political views but Gower is too focused on the psychodrama in which he is the leading character to ever do that. More people become journalists with Gower's motives than ever do to push a political line. The latter are also frankly pretty boring.
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Trevor Nicholls, in reply to
I find it difficult to understand how a newsroom that contains John Campbell (who has become a very good journalist) and the team that supports him, can also contain Mr Gower.
"Fair and balanced" innit.
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Hebe, in reply to
Patrick Gower looks to me like he's on HST. Certainly a centre-stage ego and a whatever-it-takes man, but that's not by itself a failing. Much of the blame lies with the channel news execs and their "culture". Maybe 3 see a rampaging Gower as the "balance" antidote to John Campbell's star.
The need remains for a clear distinction between reportage, campaigning journalism and commentary. The MSM media seems unable to draw that line, or even figure out that they differ, and that goes for print and television.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
I’m with Ruminator, Patrick Gower is a classic old-fashioned beat up artist, who’d sell his mother for a story that leads the bulletin and has him in the centre.
I'm trying not to push the bias line, not least because I'm mindful of how much I enjoyed Gower's barnstorming romp through the Oravida offices. He can get stories by actually reading the fine print and his recent interview with John Key was excellent.
But I am troubled by this framing of this question and I really think 3 News reporters have to stop using the Prime Minister to articulate their story angles, especially when the subject is Cunliffe. Key's great talent, as we say in the trade, but it's lazy and creepy.
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Hebe, in reply to
3 News reporters have to stop using the Prime Minister to articulate their story angles
++++1 That's it.
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I don't see it as political bias generally, it swings both ways. I thought last night was done poorly and I also didn't like him doing over the Oravida office, I thought that was pointless and diverting from the important stories in China. It's not all bad, I think his interview with Russel Norman on The Nation was very good overall.
But too often Gower (and others) get a story in mind and construct it for their own ego, choosing and making news rather than reporting on others.
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"I find it difficult to understand how a newsroom that contains John Campbell (who has become a very good journalist) and the team that supports him, can also contain Mr Gower. It strikes me as odd."
Now, John Campbell is a political journalist, but the political is with a small "p".
In other words he comes at everything from a left wing social justice angle so will sink his fangs into a politician on the same side who he feels is not living up to their shared standards and will praise a right winger or liberal who is prepared to favour something that overlaps with his own left wing conservative values. That's fine because it is so obvious, you could never accuse him of pretending to be balanced or even nuanced on the subjects he tackles. He and Gower are on the same channel and both are prominent on that channel. They don't balance one another because one is political and the other is not. There is no sign of a liberal version of John Campbell.
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Journalist as the star - Gower etc. How very very sad. Grow the fk up and get some integrity. You're a journalist for gods sake do and be proud of your job. The lime light aspect is I would have thought an unavoidable occupational hazard. In the world of criminal barristers for example the late Greg King was very very uninterested in the 'star' aspect of his profile work. Rather, he was intensely focused on his craft, which is why he was one of the better criminal defence advocates this country has seen in some years.
And agree, tv news is becoming a pretty difficult watch. Campbell Live excepted.
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