Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: Poll Day 2: Queasy

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 07 Apr 2014 21:59:02 +1200

see me ego…
I feel there is a case for trying to prevent people who crave power, from ever getting it (personally I think our ‘leaders’ / planners should be seconded from the ranks of those who know what they are doing around good social governance)
I have just come…

Peter Calder

Thu, 03 Apr 2014 13:14:32 +1300

John Armstrong channels the National Party's advice to Labour. Shameless hack.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11229836
Sorry, can you elaborate?

Sacha

Thu, 03 Apr 2014 10:13:08 +1300

Seemed too tricky (for my skill level) in light of the conversation. Also lacking real stats tools.

Sofie Bribiesca

Thu, 03 Apr 2014 09:57:23 +1300

I'd also like to think Trevett at Te Herald is writing in a serious vein (although anything seems possible with her) when she wrote this about Labour

Sofie Bribiesca

Thu, 03 Apr 2014 09:34:53 +1300

Are you sure about that? Another day, another story that reads like a National party press release.

Yes, her efforts in that were,” John Key says"… big effort Audrey . Propaganda. Disgusting effort.

I understand why Labour are changing their strategy a bit as David Parker [[http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1404/S00057/labour-fact-check-keys-twists-and-turns-in-speech.htm|points out in this…

Tom Semmens

Thu, 03 Apr 2014 07:13:55 +1300

Jesus. That’s very, very poor. Audrey Young’s usually better than that.

Are you sure about that? Another day, another story that reads like a National party press release.

Andrew Robertson

Thu, 03 Apr 2014 06:55:59 +1300

Oh I thought you were going to try doing that for the seat count.

Sacha

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 23:14:02 +1300

I've posted my graph on the later thread.

Sacha

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 20:54:39 +1300

yes, thanks

Andrew Robertson

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 20:37:05 +1300

The party vote chart. I can email you the %s and 95% CIs. (The is the same Sacha I know from Twitter, right?)

Sacha

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 19:51:44 +1300

which one? and is there anywhere I can easily get the main numbers and intervals into Excel from.

Andrew Robertson

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 19:24:17 +1300

Heh... Well, it's written underneath the graph. :)

Sacha

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 18:46:30 +1300

Thanks. May pay to clarify how you know that :)

Russell Brown

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 17:45:31 +1300

http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/gower-speaks/

cindy baxter

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 17:42:30 +1300

thanks Pete, good point.

But the code of conduct is worth looking at.

Bart Janssen

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 16:52:38 +1300

*can you support this with a link? I wouldn’t be surprised, but I’d genuinely like to know what their methods are.

The stats chat article I linked on the first page talks more about it. And I think Michael and Andrew have it right.

Andrew Robertson

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 16:36:33 +1300

Hi Sacha

Yes, that's what Colmar Brunton do.

Sacha

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 16:24:19 +1300

So you can’t take historical polls not on election days as indications of possible inaccuracies now.

Because one agency claims to have improved recently does not invalidate a longstanding pattern across all of them. You did actually read Gavin's findings?

Sacha

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 16:21:48 +1300

Thanks, Andrew. Do any of the polling companies publish graphs of their results with error bars?

Andrew Robertson

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 16:17:08 +1300

Hi Ben and Bart

The poll report on the Colmar Brunton website provides the random sampling margins of sampling error for results of 50%, 10%, and 5%. Roy Morgan do this in table form as well on their website (or at least did when I last looked).

Also, a chart…

Michael Homer

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 15:54:26 +1300

It’s just the standard binomial proportion confidence interval p ± z * sqrt(1 / n * p(1 – p)). If you know p (the reported proportion) and n (the sample size) you can calculate the confidence interval for any z (“number of standard deviations” – 1.96 for a 95% interval)…

BenWilson

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 15:30:44 +1300

If a party has anything other than 50% the number quoted is worse than meaningless because it implies there is some meaning where there is not.

Well, the meaning is not clear, if what you say is true about what they are doing with the numbers*. Presumably there is a…

Pete George

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 14:59:17 +1300

cindy, Gavin's research is interesting but a couple of points on it.

Polls don't estimate what a vote will be on election day, they try to accurately measure public opinion (and as Bart says with statistical margins error with certain confidence levels) on the days they poll, which are never…

Sofie Bribiesca

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 14:48:56 +1300

Personally I’d be quite happy is political surveys were banned altogether and if they must be done then those reporting them need to learn to use correct language when quoting the numbers and anyone caught using sloppy language could be …

...fired after explaining why they used wrong language. I…

Bart Janssen

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 14:40:40 +1300

more than the margin of error

arggh I am not a statistician but this phrase drives me nuts.

The number quoted by all the news media as a margin of error is a half arsed translation of a statistical measure. If I understand it correctly, what they quote is the…

cindy baxter

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 13:57:05 +1300

Coming into this conversation very late, but did anyone else listen to Media Watch on Sunday? A good piece about polling and the new Code of Conduct for media around reporting on polls, which I don't think TV3 has followed with its own poll.

But also an interview with [[http://sayit.co.nz/blog/what-political-polls-tell-us|Gavin…

BenWilson

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 12:44:41 +1300

I tend to think the crowd-sourced corpus tend to work better for assembling facts than assessing opinion, as they are two susceptible to where the crowd is coming from.

Yes, I'd agree. I guess there's a blurry line between fact and opinion when it comes to "did he show negative…

Sofie Bribiesca

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 12:41:57 +1300

I’ll write it up in some detail.

Some?

Russell Brown

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 10:57:41 +1300

Just had a good conversation with Patrick Gower. Assuming that 2Talk hasn't failed to record the phone call, I'll write it up in some detail.

David Hood

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 10:23:01 +1300

I was just reading Tim Harford's high accessible piece on "big data" in FT Magazine, but while it is in theory about big data it includes good discussions of polling biases and other media-stats relevant issues:
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/21a6e7d8-b479-11e3-a09a-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2xRsgyMWe

Rich Lock

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 10:17:19 +1300

which would probably just be a full time job for one person.

I could see it working as a crowd sourced thing.

Well, you must have plenty of time on your hands, being a student and all. You get the kicstarter up and running and I'll chuck a tenner in…

Sacha

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 10:08:35 +1300

Didn't universities used to do regular content analysis like that? You know, from their public funding. With their plentiful student-hours.

David Hood

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 09:57:37 +1300

State of the art in automatic sentiment analysis is (what I would describe) as moving from "deeply flawed" to "marginally useful" these days. What you would need are a bunch of transcripts (so this favors written media as a source of analysis).

Another approach would be to employ a random…

BenWilson

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 09:37:29 +1300

although everyone would shift to arguing about the detail of the methodology and the position of the base lines

Yes, the devil is right there. But if it were done, then it would at least be data rather than anecdata.

It would be fairly labour-intensive, though – I expect you’d…

Russell Brown

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 09:24:24 +1300

It isn’t just TV3. Here is Rob Salmond over at polity.co.nz catching out Audrey Young’s lazy use of Key as an unchallenged media commentator in the Herald.

Jesus. That's very, very poor. Audrey Young's usually better than that.

Really, it adds up to a press gallery that is completely besotted…

BenWilson

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 09:20:30 +1300

It’s not as if journalists are held to anything like the same standards they insist on from politicians.

No, but there's a reason for that. They're nowhere near as powerful.

Sofie Bribiesca

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 09:11:25 +1300

No confidence....

Tom Semmens

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 08:58:45 +1300

I really think 3 News reporters have to stop using the Prime Minister to articulate their story angles...

It isn't just TV3. Here is Rob Salmond over at polity.co.nz catching out Audrey Young's lazy use of Key as an unchallenged media commentator in the Herald.

Really, it adds up to a…

Sofie Bribiesca

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 08:54:17 +1300

Maybe we could outsource overseas. That way they don’t have skin in the game, either.

Ahem, maybe not in this game just yet but they are already watching....

Also not so long ago for NOTW debacle that gives me confidence in having "no skin in the game"

Rich Lock

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 08:23:11 +1300

You could probably collect some stats on column inches which are favourable to which parties, although of course there’s a lot of judgment in deciding if it’s favorable, and if so, how much so. For TV you’d have to do it on time rather than inches. The placement of the…

Pete George

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 08:01:36 +1300

"Which is what I think I’ve done in the post above."

Yes, and I hope Paddy responds. He's been MIA but may have had the day off yesterday.

And I agree that the claiming of scalps and calling for and pressuring for resignations is often odious. It's not as if…

Russell Brown

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 07:22:33 +1300

So, no story on the Collins resignation question, which I suppose isn't surprising given that One did the same question the night before.

I'm guessing also that the numbers weren't that spectacular and there's no show of her going anyway. Cunliffe's problem is that there's blood in the water now.…

Russell Brown

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 07:16:38 +1300

Both Key and Cunliffe do and say things that look bad and deserve to be reported as such. In the item being discussed here it mostly clobbered Cunliffe but I don’t think Key came across well either, selected snarky sneering clips of him are not a good look either.

Oh,…

Pete George

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 06:38:07 +1300

As Ben says political bias in media is very hard to measure. One one off coverage there's valid criticism from the left and the right – 'bias' is often misused as a description for unfavourable coverage someone's preferred politician and is a common one eyed excuse.

Selective claims of bias…

Kumara Republic

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 02:20:34 +1300

Complain to TV3 – it might be the only hope we have of stopping this crap reporting

I'd give him a couple of days for the benefit of the doubt. If there's still no equal and opposite recourse, I cite the relevant link once again:

http://bsa.govt.nz/complaints/making-a-complaint

Hebe

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 00:31:07 +1300

am blown away when I read on Kiwiblog claims that the Herald is left wing.

That's the reframing at play. The right proclaims itself as centre, which then shifts everyone else skew-whiff, supposedly. And if enough journalists are credulous enough to accept that assertion without question, then over time it…

BenWilson

Wed, 02 Apr 2014 00:17:47 +1300

So how would you measure a reporter’s and newspaper’s left or right wing balance?

You could probably collect some stats on column inches which are favourable to which parties, although of course there's a lot of judgment in deciding if it's favorable, and if so, how much so. For TV…

Greg Dawson

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 22:55:31 +1300

holy cow, I was going to comment but this comment box of punishing on an s2 android, can't space or punctuate. treats it like a url box, what's the fix?

izogi

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 22:54:32 +1300

Journalist as the star – Gower etc. How very very sad. Grow the fk up and get some integrity. You’re a journalist for gods sake do and be proud of your job.

I also find it depressing to watch, but I have trouble completely blaming the journos alone when it…

Myles Thomas

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 22:35:20 +1300

Suzanne's right. Channels take a surprising amount of notice of the telephone logs.

Myles Thomas

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 22:33:49 +1300

"We all just think the media is anti-whicheverside-we’re-on"

You're probably right. I certainly do think Gower and many others are right leaning and then am blown away when I read on Kiwiblog claims that the Herald is left wing.

So how would you measure a reporter's and newspaper's left or…

Suzanne McNamara

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 22:26:41 +1300

Complain to TV3 – it might be the only hope we have of stopping this crap reporting

Sacha

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 21:24:58 +1300

Is that true that we have laws requiring news journalists to be balanced?

Not any that are enforced.

Sacha

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 21:22:04 +1300

I struggle to see any actual news unless Labour is going to articulate a position or some actual policy

A trend over the last year or so – for tvnz particularly – is for the story intro about an opposition policy to tell us what the PM reckons before we've…

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 20:43:46 +1300

But I am troubled by this framing of this question and I really think 3 News reporters have to stop using the Prime Minister to articulate their story angles, especially when the subject is Cunliffe. Key’s great talent, as we say in the trade, but it’s lazy and creepy.

More…

andrew r

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 19:41:03 +1300

Journalist as the star – Gower etc. How very very sad. Grow the fk up and get some integrity. You're a journalist for gods sake do and be proud of your job. The lime light aspect is I would have thought an unavoidable occupational hazard. In the world of criminal…

Tinakori

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 19:24:20 +1300

"I find it difficult to understand how a newsroom that contains John Campbell (who has become a very good journalist) and the team that supports him, can also contain Mr Gower. It strikes me as odd."

Now, John Campbell is a political journalist, but the political is with a small…

Pete George

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 19:18:17 +1300

I don't see it as political bias generally, it swings both ways. I thought last night was done poorly and I also didn't like him doing over the Oravida office, I thought that was pointless and diverting from the important stories in China. It's not all bad, I think his…

Hebe

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 19:03:14 +1300

3 News reporters have to stop using the Prime Minister to articulate their story angles

++++1 That's it.

Russell Brown

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 18:56:05 +1300

I’m with Ruminator, Patrick Gower is a classic old-fashioned beat up artist, who’d sell his mother for a story that leads the bulletin and has him in the centre.

I'm trying not to push the bias line, not least because I'm mindful of how much I enjoyed Gower's barnstorming romp…

Hebe

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 18:47:24 +1300

Patrick Gower looks to me like he's on HST. Certainly a centre-stage ego and a whatever-it-takes man, but that's not by itself a failing. Much of the blame lies with the channel news execs and their "culture". Maybe 3 see a rampaging Gower as the "balance" antidote to John Campbell's…

Trevor Nicholls

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 18:22:41 +1300

I find it difficult to understand how a newsroom that contains John Campbell (who has become a very good journalist) and the team that supports him, can also contain Mr Gower.

"Fair and balanced" innit.

Tinakori

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 18:07:50 +1300

I'm with Ruminator, Patrick Gower is a classic old-fashioned beat up artist, who'd sell his mother for a story that leads the bulletin and has him in the centre. He wouldn't sell his granny because he already has done. Back in the day he would have chain smoked, drunk like…

Kata

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 17:04:18 +1300

Where is the most appropriate place to complain about the increasing prejudice of Gower's reporting. The same place we complain about Hosking's and Henry's openly biased party political broadcasts? I have never seen such a plethora of prejudicial "reporters" editorialising before. The worst part is that tax money pays for…

llew40

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 16:55:44 +1300

You guys actually think Gower is pro-Nat and anti-Labour?

No, but I am uncomfortable with the trend – Paddy is far from alone – of journalists wanting to creep onto the stage and into the spotlight.

That said, the journalist as 'star' has probably been around for longer than I…

Kumara Republic

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 16:51:01 +1300

Gower just likes getting a story that riles anyone up be it right or left. He’s kerrrrazy and a bit hyperbolic but I’m pretty sure he’s even handed.

We all just think the media is anti-whicheverside-we’re-on

Edit: grammar

So basically his primary loyalty isn't to a political party, but to…

Richard Aston

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 16:45:12 +1300

We all just think the media is anti-whicheverside-we’re-on

But News reporters are meant to be balanced, well according to Brian Edwards. Deeper in his blog he says But we have laws in this country about reporting in news and current affairs programmes. In those programmes journalists are required to be…

Bart Janssen

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 16:41:09 +1300

Gower is pro-Nat and anti-Labour?

I think he appears to be (and in his job appearance is reality) pro John Key and very anti all of the Labour leaders on whom he has reported.

That is slightly different from being pro Nat anti Labour.

He is also almost always focused…

The Ruminator

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 16:27:27 +1300

You guys actually think Gower is pro-Nat and anti-Labour? Did you see him salivating his way around the Oravida offices?

ooooh look! Another photo of Judith Collins

Gower just likes getting a story that riles anyone up be it right or left. He’s kerrrrazy and a bit hyperbolic but I’m…

Andrew Geddis

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 15:51:02 +1300

Can you shed any light on my questions above? Because Patrick doesn’t seem inclined to.

Sorry – honestly can't remember all the details (it was probably 10 days ago I was asked). I do recall that the Cunliffe question did use the phrase "worthy of a PM", because I thought…

Paul Rowe

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 15:08:36 +1300

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo9_aBj1Z84

The issues of importance to Young People

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 14:58:22 +1300

"The missionary position's always been alright for us, so why change?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6W9D031U0o

Sacha

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 14:57:20 +1300

Danyl notes another distortion – only comparing the last couple of results:
http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2014/04/01/why-are-msm-poll-stories-bivariate/

Richard Aston

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 14:55:52 +1300

I find it difficult to understand how a newsroom that contains John Campbell (who has become a very good journalist) and the team that supports him, can also contain Mr Gower. It strikes me as odd.

Me too

Lyndon Hood

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 14:43:35 +1300

I'm still hoping they also asked whether John Key's silly-hat addiction was 'worthy of a Prime Minister'. But my yardstick remains last election, when they polled people on who they thought was going to win the election

Euan Mason

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 14:42:03 +1300

Russell, I like your questions, and I'd add this one:

"When are the media organisations going to provide statistical literacy training for their commentators?"

The confidence limits were + or – 3.9%, and we have them rabbiting on about shifts in numbers that were often fractions of the standard error,…

Russell Brown

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 14:26:51 +1300

I was polled in this poll. On the basis of the questions asked me, he doesn’t.

There should, however, be a story along the lines of One News’ “should Collins resign over Oravida?” Because I was asked that!

Thanks. Can you shed any light on my questions above? Because Patrick…

Bart Janssen

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 13:38:07 +1300

I find it very hard to watch Mr Gower any more. He is consistently and very overtly biased in his political reporting. He may have inside knowledge that causes this bias but if he wants to grow up to be a journalist he needs to learn to set that aside…

Andrew Geddis

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 12:45:02 +1300

It may be that Gower has a zinger about John Key for us tonight. If so, I hope it’s better and more fairly framed than last night’s story was

I was polled in this poll. On the basis of the questions asked me, he doesn't.

There should, however, be a…

Kumara Republic

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 12:28:56 +1300

Media are a critical (two meanings) part of our democratic system but their increasing power, their increasing use of that power and their virtual unaccountability (especially to voters) is a major concern.

Again, the consolidation and subsequent cartelisation has a likely hand in this. And I say it again: the…

Rich of Observationz

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 12:22:01 +1300

I would like the percentages for a control question:
In the light of the Broomwoggle allegations, should Peter Smith remain a minister?

I'm betting a large portion of those polled would have a view on this.

Russell Brown

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 12:06:35 +1300

Reid declares "Our quality standards are open to the ultimate scrutiny!" at the top of its political polls page, but could take lessons from Colmar Brunton on transparency.

The one thing the page does tell us is that the "honesty" question is asked about the National and Labour leaders each…

Pete George

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:48:33 +1300

"people like Gower are powerful, unaccountable and therefore think they are untouchable."

Martin Connelly

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:48:31 +1300

I so very much agree with this.

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:45:08 +1300

John Drinnan politely opined that Patrick Gower is "sun struck" by John Key.

Well, I'd not at all politely opine that Drinnan could more usefully ask when the fuck Bernard Orsman is going to get professional help for his Brown Derangement Syndrome but I guess speaking truth to the power…

Tom Semmens

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:34:13 +1300

John Drinnan politely opined that Patrick Gower is "sun struck" by John Key. I would remove the s, and add add a "c" and a "t" to less politely suggest Gower is completely c**t struck by Key. Such an emotional attachment to the PM would also explain Gowers other inexplicable…

leelee

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:27:26 +1300

While its true that it is David Cunliffe's fault that the question got asked, its not his fault that the question was useless. Almost as useless as "should a smack as part of good parental correction be a criminal offence in New Zealand".

Kumara Republic

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:23:35 +1300

And I sometimes wonder if Gower being a law unto himself is a side effect of media industry cartelisation. If so, has the ComCom even looked into it?

George Darroch

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:22:25 +1300

Feel free to report to the BSA here

Alternately.

George Darroch

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:19:51 +1300

I can see at least one good reason to – to become informed about how things are being reported on one of the more popular platforms.

As someone involved with politics, watching the news gives me next to no information about actual events. In many cases, if I was to…

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:19:22 +1300

“Do you personally think Judith Collins should remain a cabinet minister following the Oravida conflict of interest allegations?”

Since I do not now, never have and never will get to dish out ministerial warrants why does it matter?

Kumara Republic

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:19:21 +1300

John Armstrong channels the National Party’s advice to Labour. Shameless hack.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11229836

Quick link for your convenience:

http://www.presscouncil.org.nz/complaint_form.php

Pete George

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:14:56 +1300

“Do you personally think Judith Collins should remain a cabinet minister following the Oravida conflict of interest allegations?”

http://www.colmarbrunton.co.nz/images/140401_ONE_News_Colmar_Brunton_Poll_report_22-26_Mar_2014_prelim.pdf

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:14:27 +1300

No, it's the question. "No" could mean a whole range of things. It's a bullshit polling question.

And since we don't directly elect our executive branch of government, what's the point of asking the question at all? Seriously. I'd like to know — if I dropped my wallet in the…

BenWilson

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:12:44 +1300

Last night got me to the point of "why watch any TV news?"

I don't watch it regularly, haven't for a very long time. But I can see at least one good reason to – to become informed about how things are being reported on one of the more popular…

Sacha

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:12:19 +1300

John Armstrong channels the National Party's advice to Labour. Shameless hack.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11229836

Ianmac

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:06:21 +1300

And Brian Edwards has a piece on Gower and his blatant electioneering for National.
http://brianedwardsmedia.co.nz/

Ianmac

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:01:25 +1300

Does Paddy frame the questions for the survey? The way that he frames the questions for his interview show that he has pre-determined answers and even if the interviewee should dare to stray from Paddy's expected answer, the he fixes that by putting his interpretation on the answer even if…

Andrew Stevenson

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:56:52 +1300

But last night's effort left me feeling a bt queasy.
It was really reaching, and not getting there.
More pieces like that and they'd lose me.

Kumara Republic

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:51:08 +1300

Feel free to report to the BSA here, if there’s no subsequent counterbalancing act from Gower:

http://bsa.govt.nz/complaints/making-a-complaint

It’ll have to be within 20 days of the broadcast though.

Hebe

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:48:17 +1300

All of that.

Hebe

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:47:29 +1300

Last night got me to the point of "why watch any TV news?" Patrick Gower's variable relationship with journalism and its ethics and increasing undeclared partisanship, added to Paul Henry on Nightline (no rational reason; I just cannot stand the man's delivery). I will stick with John Campbell and some…

llew40

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:47:05 +1300

Good post. I get this is an election year and that politics is blood sport, and that news is a highly commercial and brutally competitive business that is under threat from global forces and very dependent on a shrinking business model.

But I'm also (probably being naive) quite mystified by…

Russell Brown

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:44:20 +1300

That's not the question's fault. It's David Cunliffe's.

No, it's the question. "No" could mean a whole range of things. It's a bullshit polling question.

Compare to the One News question on Collins, where "yes" and "no" have decisive meanings.

MxDEJ

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:41:33 +1300

It’s actually a hard question for even a Cunliffe supporter to answer “yes” to.

That's not the question's fault. It's David Cunliffe's.

Public Address

Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:41:33 +1300

Discussion from blog post.