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Hard News: Not yet standing upright

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  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Alfie,

    Obviously. Those of us who choose not to use Facebook aren't even allowed to view your post. That's one way to ensure Hypnoflag avoids widespread acceptance.

    +1

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole,

    Y'all bitching about Vote Hypnoflag being Facebook-only at this time are welcome to do something on the wider web, y'know!

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    Well give us some details here. I don't face palm!

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    Y'all bitching...

    It's only your Facebook "security settings" I mentioned Matthew. Just saying.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to Alfie,

    They're as open as possible. Looks like I picked the wrong option when setting up and did a Group instead of a Page.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Paul,

    The traditional anthem need not be a dirge. Here it is played for a 36 sec duration, and it sounds fine to my ears; just as I'd sing it to myself:

    Taranaki • Since Dec 2011 • 10 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    So then the hypnoflag as a spoiler mechanism really has no chance of winning under STV - if I read that correctly. No doubt that's exactly why we got three ferns in the shortlist.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

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    Y’all see Hypnoflag©
    I see Psychoflag

    Key & Co have always had this thing about National Standards – this embodies their contribution…

    (I was gonna subtitle this flag Captain Coriolis's Maudlin )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole,

    Right, let's try this.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Paul Paul,

    I've just realized: God of Nations and For Those In Peril On The Sea have the same tune, right?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Telfar Barnard, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Nope, sorry, not.

    vs

    There's a vague similarity I'll grant you, but definitely not the same or even nearly the same.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 585 posts Report Reply

  • Ianmac, in reply to Paul Paul,

    Didn't realise that the anthem could sound so perky Paul! A new spring in my step. Hip ray!

    Bleneim • Since Aug 2008 • 135 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    You can certainly sing either set of lyrics to either tune.

    Possibly one of those unconscious intermusicalities, like Fight Test and Father and Son or Hope and Suzanne.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • David Hood,

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    STV certainly makes Hypnoflags path to "victory" much harder, as it is effectively a two alternative race for anyone that fills out the complete form, but (at the moment) I still see it as a better option than spoiled ballot as there is no mechanism for recognising not wanting any of the alternatives. So I am expect non and spoiled votes to be ignored in discussion of the results.

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1445 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen R, in reply to Emma Hart,

    I've always kind of hated our anthem. Then one day I was curious about how and when the decision was made to add the Maori verse, and I ran across the documentary David Farrier made about it, and I kind of changed my mind.

    I rather like the way that, in contrast with some other countries, it doesn't celebrate kicking the shit out of someone else. "Rule Brittania","rockets' red glare" vs "
    Guard Pacific's triple star ... From the shafts of strife and war," and "Listen to us gently, With the infinite love, May the goodness bear fruit;"

    (Which one is the triple star again?)
    (translation via wikipedia)

    Wellington • Since Jul 2009 • 259 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    Better but I think the fact that this is an STV vote is your bigger problem. In other words, looks like Key Inc. has spoiled your spoiler.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    The tune was originally a drinking song, IIRC.
    I picture people sitting on trestle tables in a pub, singing the tune rowdily and waving their beer mugs sloshily in time. Much more fun!

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 585 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to David Hood,

    Yeah, it's been well and truly rigged - and can be the only reason we got variations of one choice. All very cleverly planned by a government who doesn't believe in choice.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    and so on until it's a fern - no matter what.

    This has become an awful, awful, awful process.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to ,

    Another option, is a citizens initiated referendum to cancel the priministers referendum.

    They're not binding, but. And would be scheduled to be held after the second referendum is completed.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Russell Brown,

    This has become an awful, awful, awful process.

    This has become an awful, awful, awful lawful process...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    I see Psychoflag

    Glad to see you got the water going down the right way, anti-clockwise but the thing with flags is you can see them from both sides and that could cause confusion.
    Bearing this in mind perhaps we should change the name of the country to AoxomoxoA and just have the name on the flag.
    (some may recognise a Grateful Dead reference whilst others may not)
    For more ridiculous nonsense please refer to Hansard.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Katita, in reply to ,

    +1

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 67 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    But if it is STV, then would a Hypnoflag supporter be advised to just rank that design with a number 1 and no ranking after that?

    Your earlier rankings can never harm your later rankings. There is no harm at all in ranking the other flags in order of your other preference. There is a non-zero chance that New Zealand will have one of those Lockwood flags, so if you do prefer one over the other, there is no harm in ranking it higher.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3215 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    ....the thing with flags is you can see them from both sides and that could cause confusion

    I'm going all Black Hole / White Hole with this
    the verso shall be inverted colour-wise
    Data in
    white noise out...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

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