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  • Phil Lyth,

    Radio NZ is reporting that

    Labour leader Phil Goff says the party will make Maori and Pacific unemployment a focus of the Mana by-election.

    Bring it on - in terms of framing the debate, and everything in the last 150 comments.

    Wellington • Since Apr 2009 • 458 posts Report Reply

  • recordari,

    I'll get of my rocker, and point out a story that I thought was worth celebrating today.

    ACC reinstates help for victims of sex abuse

    It should never have been taken away in the first place. And yes, my critical capacity seems to be intact, although it could just be a seismic event.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Phil Lyth,

    @recordari, I spluttered into my cornflakes. The cheek. The hypocrisy. The sheer gall of National and Nick Smith.

    Fortunately Kevin Hague, Lynne Pillay and David Parker, and I/S all have their bullshit detectors set to 'High'.

    Wellington • Since Apr 2009 • 458 posts Report Reply

  • Bruce Wurr,

    It's absolutely disgusting that the cuts the Minister instigated himself, which had immediate and devastating consequences, have been attempted to be passed off as ACCs fault.

    And yet again papers like the Herald are only too happy to repeat the press releases

    Auckland • Since Dec 2006 • 97 posts Report Reply

  • ChrisW,

    Fortunately Kevin Hague, Lynne Pillay and David Parker, and I/S all have their bullshit detectors set to 'High'.

    And yet again papers like the Herald are only too happy to repeat the press releases

    Surely any clapped out third-rate bullshit detector set to 'Low' would have detected this bullshit?

    So what can it mean when it goes undetected or unresponded to by the fourth estate?

    Gisborne • Since Apr 2009 • 851 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    "to-wit to-woo', et al

    I like, recordari

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • martinb,

    @craig

    So that must be those famous and celebrated pages in NZ history of the National party.

    Jim Bolger opposing nuclear testing and going to South Africa to meet Nelson Mandela...or is it actually the National party's wish that there was no history or people would call bullshit on it more regularly? Look at what they are doing buddy. There's no continuity with this alleged progressive social agenda.

    @Danyl. Child smacking got everyone riled up and none of it stuck to Key. The campaign against Clark was nasty and vindictive.

    Wait the protest by truckies,when we are spending millions replacing the Harbour bridge because of trucks, and they got glorified as Robin Hoods because of $500 they might have to pay extra?

    I'm betting now that a progressive tax system is social engineering...

    This term to me is spin and nasty successful spin at that. If you improve things to the left you social engineer- if you dish money out to your rich mates and do fuck all about unemployment and hit beneficiaries...?

    Auckland • Since Jul 2010 • 206 posts Report Reply

  • recordari,

    Thanks Islander. I should have stuck to teh-wit, and left my indignation-alism in the can.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    So what can it mean when it goes undetected or unresponded to by the fourth estate?

    Silvio Berlusconi, anyone?

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5445 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    @martinb: You've exhausted your patronising dick credits for the quarter, buddy.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    There's actually one useful lesson for Phil Goff out of much of this thread: Don't call people who don't vote for you "retards", "evil" or imply they're sociopaths while bitching about your opponent running a nasty smear campaign. Seriously fucking unendearing.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    when it goes undetected or unresponded to by the fourth estate?

    It means they don't deserve their privileged legal position if they're not delivering a public service. Transfer that to bloggers etc who are willing to hold power to account.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • recordari,

    Don't call people who don't vote for you "retards", "evil" or imply they're sociopaths while bitching about your opponent running a nasty smear campaign.

    The 'creatures', don't forget 'them'.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Interesting. Idiot/Savant characterises this discussion:

    Yesterday I pointed at the Dim-Post's vicious but accurate description of their mood-swing against National. What I didn't talk about was their suggested strategy for Labour to capitalise on it: abandon "social engineering" (that is, any moves to ensure equality for anyone who isn't a white male).

    That proposed strategy has spawned a large discussion over at PA System, with several Trotterites crawling out of the woodwork screaming for Labour to throw women, Maori, children and gays under a bus in a quest for the votes of its "traditional base" of (supposedly racist, sexist and bigoted) working class males.

    Chris Trotter responds:

    Clearly, being held accountable for his own words is not something Mr Savant relishes – and that’s a pity, because it forces the people he attacks to come back at him directly (and very publicly) on their own blogs.

    Right, now that I've got that off my chest, the first thing I’m going to say about this recent, highly tendentious posting by Mr Savant is that, in the fine tradition of Karl Marx disclaiming the title Marxist: "I am NOT a Trotterite!"

    By "Trotterite" Mr Savant appears to mean any person who opposes "social engineering" – which he defines as "any moves to ensure equality for anyone who isn’t a white male".

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    @martinb: You've exhausted your patronising dick credits for the quarter, buddy.

    Not really Craig but what's the point? Spade a spade innit? If a "brush off" is acceptable to the Speaker of the House, then a whole lot more will emerge. Jus' sayin' cos I can't be bothered arguing.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    power which the social and economic system has vested in them _in spite of_ not because of their gender, ethnicity or sexuality

    Wow.

    #peopleactuallybelievethis #christrotter

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant,

    several Trotterites crawling out of the woodwork

    And (unmentioned by me) a whole bunch of people disagreeing with them.

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1717 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole,

    So if you could 'enlighten' me, I'd like to rise above the subclass of rock

    Well, it appears that at least some of the electorate turfed Labour because they thought National really had become Labour-lite - or Labour had become National-lite - so there was no harm in changing the colour of the flags in the House. Now there's this palpable air of abject shock that, *gasp*, National actually haven't changed since 1999, they've still got the same basic policies and attitudes.

    [edit] And to clarify, I wasn't using the term "creatures" to imply you're evil or obtuse. Just that "sentient being" didn't seem quite appropriate as a label for people who voted based on appearance of change over consideration of substance. And I did miss out at ":P" from the end, which didn't help.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole,

    Wait the protest by truckies,when we are spending millions replacing the Harbour bridge because of trucks, and they got glorified as Robin Hoods because of $500 they might have to pay extra?

    That whole thing was one of the most serious "What. The. FUCK?!" moments in the last few years of NZ politics. Labour trying to make users (and damagers) of public roads pay something closer to their fair share, and being demonised by the "user pays" acolytes of the National Party for doing so. And National got away with it. Now, of course, they're adjusting the entire RUC system, and I'm far from convinced that it won't shift even more of the costs of truck-related damage onto taxpayers.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    A house on the borderland...
    The true state of things is revealed in Lyndon Hood's excellent The Calculator of Cthulhu - be prepared to stare into the still beating heart of true horror - not for the faint hearted!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report Reply

  • recordari,

    And to clarify, I wasn't using the term "creatures" to imply you're evil or obtuse. Just that "sentient being" didn't seem quite appropriate as a label for people who voted based on appearance of change over consideration of substance.

    That's still not why I voted for them. But it would honestly seem a bit pointless trying to explain/mansplain on that now.

    And to quote a Mr P Simon;

    I am a rock,
    I am an island.

    And a rock feels no pain;
    And an island never cries.

    Which is entirely untrue, so perhaps I'm neither a rock, nor an island. Maybe a lost continent?

    And just like that we're back to mu mu land.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    creature discomfits...

    Maybe a lost continent?

    better than being incontinent
    if you catch my drift...

    rock blunts scissors
    but paper wraps rock
    and the Is-Land is just
    well ...a Frame up

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    And to quote Jefferson Airplane...

    No man is an Island, he is a peninsular...

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Stewart,

    The true state of things is revealed in Lyndon Hood's excellent The Calculator of Cthulhu - be prepared to stare into the still beating heart of true horror - not for the faint hearted!

    Magic.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Valuable things come in small packages...

    No man is an Island, he is a peninsula...

    unless he wears a cape!

    just do it, do it, do it...
    he said shortly
    (if not bluffly)
    jutting out his
    pointed little headland...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report Reply

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