Hard News: Jonesing
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Emma Hart, in reply to
I actually left with a better impression of him than before. Now I get where the “he can connect” stuff comes from, because he does have the gift of the gab and a great dramatic delivery.
This was my impression too, watching the live feed. I was just thinking, "Yeah, this is quite engaging, I've actually laughed a couple of times," and then he made a Fat Joke about Gerry Brownlee, and I was done.
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Hilary Stace, in reply to
I wrote this after the Wellington meeting and haven't changed my opinion
the roadshow and leadership election seem to be incredibly well organised, and the venues packed – as well as staying generally good humoured. Quite an achievement and one which augurs well for the left.
Part of me doesn't care about any of this. But then I consider the demise of the School Journal, or the 75th anniversary this week of the 1938 Social Security Act which set up the welfare state, and I am reminded how much NZ has strayed from some basic human-centred ideals of equity and justice. Then I really care about having a strong and unified political left.
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
did Jones just dismiss Curran’s tweet on the grounds that “it must be that time of the month”?
I don't think so, what he said was "Either the moon in Dunedin was in the wrong phase or she's casting around for a new job," , a thinly veiled suggestion that, in his opinion, Curran was being a loony and may prefer to belong somewhere else. This could actually counter the Nats insistence that all on the left are loonies, in their inimitable forth form stylings.
You of all people Paul, a man so skilled in programming and hardware should know that "If/Then" statements are reliant on absolutes as opposed to biased guesswork.So, in light of that could I be so bold as to suggest a Internet/Computer Column where we could swap knowledge about things we know about as a welcome break from gossip and innuendo on topics that are purely subjective?
Please. o-)
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BenWilson, in reply to
Could be a good thing, could be a bad thing.
If he’s polarizing, it’s either a good thing, or a bad thing. :-)
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
Yeah but no but.;)
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I have to say, while I think Curran was pretty clumsy, I don't much sympathy for Michie. If she'd been asked "is Jones' race an issue" and replied "Well, not for me, but for some people, and you'd have to be naive etc" everyone would agree that was hugely improper.
The right answer (if you're a candidate surrogate) is "No, I don't think it's an issue", or, even "it's not an issue for me". The "naive" bit is just a dogwhistle, and it's especially egregious given that Michie and Greg Presland (who's close to Cunliffe) are closely involved with the Standard and really should take a bit of responsibility for the huge negativity and in many cases bigotry that Hilary pointed out goes on there.
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BenWilson, in reply to
a thinly veiled suggestion that, in his opinion, Curran was being a loony and may prefer to belong somewhere else.
Or perhaps a werewolf, only really dangerous some of the time.
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Well, I still think that "she was having monthly sick problems" is at least as valid an interpretation of "the moon in Dunedin was in the wrong phase" as "she was having a passing attack of lunacy". If that's not what Jones meant, then once again he's shown that he's got no idea of what women might find offensive, or why.
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
he’s shown that he’s got no idea of what women might find offensive, or why.
That depends more on the time of day rather than time of the month in my experience.
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Audrey Young at Herald if anyone is interested.
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Lucy Telfar Barnard, in reply to
That depends more on the time of day rather than time of the month in my experience.
I'm waiting for some more pithy response to occur to me, but for the moment all I can come up with is:
Don't be a dick.
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Danielle, in reply to
Don’t be a dick.
+1. Do believe me, Steve, when I say that the "ladies be crazy, amirite" schtick does not fly with me at any time of the day OR month.
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So glad you girls know more about my life expedience than I do, well, that was expected.
Does that make it ok for me to say “Don’t be a cunt?”
No IT DOESN"T.
So Apology?.
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Hebe, in reply to
Does that make it ok for me to say “Don’t be a cunt?”
No IT DOESN"T.
So Apology?.
Doubt it.Silly old troll.
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Lucy Telfar Barnard, in reply to
Does that make it ok for me to say “Don’t be a cunt?”
Well, if I was being one it might.
But I remember now. The appropriate response is:
Oh, was that a joke? I don’t get it. Can you please explain it for me?
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I've typed and deleted several comments in response to Steve's remarks above. In no particular order...
1. "Girls" is dismissive and infantalising. At best your use of it is careless, but it could be construed as being deliberately insulting.
2. I agree with Danielle. "Ladies be crazy" is a horrid, nasty trope, used in much the same way as "girls", to dismiss women and their concerns.
3. "Don't be a dick" is a house rule around here, and has been used routinely by both men and women to ask people not to be sexist, or ageist, or ablist, or racist, or to in any way marginalise other people here.
4. Almost certainly, Danielle's and Lucy's (and my) experience of actually being, y'know, women, and putting up with the 'ladies be crazy' trope for most of our lives, is at least as pertinent and relevant as your experience of interacting with women. I don't think there are any 'lived experience' trump cards available here.
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Hebe, in reply to
Don't be a dick" is a house rule around here, and has been used routinely by both men and women to ask people not to be sexist, or ageist, or ablist, or racist, or to in any way marginalise other people here.
+1
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Hebe, in reply to
If he’s polarizing, it’s either a good thing, or a bad thing. :-)
Exactly; I don't know which one Cunliffe is. I'll leave that up to the party.
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So here's Paddy again:
Sources say Labour's Anyone But Cunliffe club - ABC - declared/locked in at 15 MPs. 15/34 MPs who can't stand him, absolutely hate his guts.
https://twitter.com/patrickgowernz/status/377644637067816961
No context whatsoever. Sources? Assume it's Labour but not stated.
Not told if the 'sources' gave the names of these 'declared' ABC haters of Cunliffe's guts.
This is the sort of crap that the ABCs have been doing. It's fucking toxic. There is at least 1 caucus member who wanted Paddy to report that Cunliffe will have a caucus in which 15 members hate his guts, but lacks the courage to be open about it, or accept the party process.
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He could make or break it. It's exciting, and that's something new for the Labour Party. I'd rather they took some risks. It would mean a decent chance of holding National to only 2 terms, which is historically a bloody good effort. Odds are, though, that National will get in again, just on the long run averages. If Cunliffe manages to grow the vote and be a dynamic leader in Opposition during the third term, then I'd say there's bugger all chance that National could pull off the coveted 4 terms, which is important.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
This is the sort of crap that the ABCs have been doing. It’s fucking toxic. There is at least 1 caucus member who wanted Paddy to report that Cunliffe will have a caucus in which 15 members hate his guts, but lacks the courage to be open about it, or accept the party process.
Best-case scenario is that this kind of behaviour is coming from a relatively small group of individuals who won't be a loss when they're demoted back to the stone age. I think we all know who I'm talking about.
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
Silly old troll.
Wow. Ageist and insulting.
You go girl.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
So here’s Paddy again:
Sources say Labour’s Anyone But Cunliffe club – ABC – declared/locked in at 15 MPs. 15/34 MPs who can’t stand him, absolutely hate his guts.
Garner tweeted this earlier:
Text from DC camp to me: 'GR's team are counting their chickens. Numbers are GR15; DC12; SJ2; Undecided 5, after 2nd prefs 17/17 spilt.
He's certainly a bit more robust about characterising his sources in this case.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Steve, I need you to rethink the way you're coming into these discussion. Because single time lately you're generating a shitfight.
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What they could do is have a whole round of byelections where all the electorate MPs who can't stand Cunliffe resign en masse to be replaced by smart new positive candidates. It'd be a bit of a propaganda win if it was done right.
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