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Hard News: Hobbit Wars

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  • Nick Shand,

    I gather an Australian destination may be more likely

    Ah Russel but where will Oz get a Lonely Mountain from? Australia's mountains are seriously small and CGI can't compare to our glorious landscape options.

    auck • Since Aug 2008 • 79 posts Report Reply

  • Jan Farr,

    Employment Contracts Act was repealed ten years ago

    And now they're putting it all back together again - and more!

    Carterton • Since Apr 2008 • 395 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Many of the issues the union were seeking to negotiate related to basic conditions such as accommodation, smoking, nudity, credits and not just pay

    "We can only say, hey, what we'd like on this production is a fair suck of the sav. We would like to negotiate with you fair terms and conditions for the engagement of New Zealand performers on the Hobbit."

    That's Frances Walsh in the updated Herald story.

    Apparently, there's going to be nudity in The Hobbit.

    Actually, of course there isn't, but AE just won't say it's trying pursue an industry-wide agreement via one high-profile production.

    Whose idiot strategy is this? They refused to even meet the relevant industry body, but they want a meeting with PJ to set down conditions that are clearly meant to apply to everyone else in the industry. He's absolutely right -- he can't meet with them this basis. The kind of conditions he can and will offer on his movie would break local producers.

    This is appalling.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Jan Farr,

    Appreciate your comments, they've always been made in a spirit of goodwill, right back to verbwrangle.

    That was always my intention. Thanks for the kindness. Would put big smiley thing here if I knew how.

    Carterton • Since Apr 2008 • 395 posts Report Reply

  • Neil Morrison,

    nudity issues are negotiated via ones agent, there's no possible or desirable way to have a collective agreement.

    But the NZ union look like they want to own this. I think Jennifer Ward-Lealand is opertating outside her skill set but the CTU have been giving very poor advice - and they are operating within their skill set.

    Since Nov 2006 • 932 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    And now they're putting it all back together again - and more!

    Jan: I'm going to apologise in advance for the man-splain, but the Employment Contracts Act was repealed by the Fifth Labour Government on October 2, 2000.

    That's a simple matter of fact. Matter of opinion: I find it hard to take seriously anyone speaking on behalf of a union in public who is fuzzy on the difference between the now defunct Employment Contracts and Employment Relations Acts. (BTW, the latter is still on the statute books.)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Pat Hackett,

    Robyn and Jennifer are adamant its not about money (apart from the clause that if the movie doesn't go ahead the actors still want their money).

    Oh and the clause about the residuals. But its not about the money.

    Auckland • Since Oct 2010 • 95 posts Report Reply

  • Jonathan King,

    Robyn and Jennifer are adamant its not about money (apart from the clause that if the movie doesn't go ahead the actors still want their money).

    Hang on, what? Day players want pay or play?!?

    Since Sep 2010 • 185 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    Craig, what have I told you about bringing facts to a shitfight? It's the naughty step for you, young man.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2935 posts Report Reply

  • Pat Hackett,

    The online petition Eleanor linked to is going nuts. Was about 50 names at 5pm today, now up to 350 odd. Interesting comments from exasperated film workers.

    http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?nzhobbit&1

    Auckland • Since Oct 2010 • 95 posts Report Reply

  • Pat Hackett,

    Maybe cross off the name Rocky Douche, though (No. 118 on the petition). Unless he is a porn actor.

    Auckland • Since Oct 2010 • 95 posts Report Reply

  • Jan Farr,

    I find it hard to take seriously anyone speaking on behalf of a union in public who is fuzzy on the difference between the now defunct Employment Contracts and Employment Relations Acts. (BTW, the latter is still on the statute books.)

    Hi Craig:
    a) Please don't try to take me seriously if you find it difficult. I'm quite relaxed either way.
    b) I haven't been speaking on behalf of a union. Only about my own experiences. Many of us do that on this blog.
    c) Did I say the ECA hadn't been repealed? I thought I said that they're putting it back together again and more. The big differences between the ECA and the ERA were that the ERA recognised unions, unions had slightly easier access to their members and good faith bargaining was brought in (a kind of voluntary honesty box). Now National, in its first term, has made it possible to sack a worker without cause in the first 90 days of employment and is working presently to make union access to workplaces much more difficult - heading right back there, to 1991.

    Carterton • Since Apr 2008 • 395 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    Jan, he's talking about Robyn Malcolm, not you. Unless you're more bewildered than you're letting on.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2935 posts Report Reply

  • Jonathan King,

    Maybe cross off the name Rocky Douche, though (No. 118 on the petition).

    Rocky is a pioneer of sound post-production in NZ -- founder of Marmalade Studios.

    Since Sep 2010 • 185 posts Report Reply

  • Jan Farr,

    Jan, he's talking about Robyn Malcolm, not you. Unless you're more bewildered than you're letting on.

    Well he certainly quoted me. But then I should have thought, 'Why would a nice boy like Craig attack a poor bewildered old lady like me?'

    Carterton • Since Apr 2008 • 395 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Maybe cross off the name Rocky Douche, though (No. 118 on the petition). Unless he is a porn actor.

    No, bro. He's for real.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Pat Hackett,

    Rocky is a pioneer of sound post-production in NZ -- founder of Marmalade Studios

    Well, knock me down with a feather. I googled his name and couldn't find anything (found a lot of other things).

    Great name. Big ups to Mr and Mrs Douche.

    Auckland • Since Oct 2010 • 95 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    No, bro. He's for real.

    I am lost for words - take a picture. :) Must be a real bugger playing What's Your Porn Name? when your parents did it for you - and won the gold.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    I am lost for words -

    Pronounced doo-shay, with the stress on the last syllable.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Hey, a looong time ago I think I worked with him (at Tv1).
    We both had these weird surnames that werent pronounced as they were spelt...

    The problem with my words appropos Peter Jackson is the word 'we',
    right?

    For me, for my whanau, for all people I know, that *is* the fact - *we* percieve him as doing nothing for the ANZ film industry (because we have very little contact with people who work in the ANZ film industry) and all we hear about/read about, is the grandiose self-indulgence.

    If I hurt Jonathon King, I apologise - I know, especially & particularly, how slighting words can cut, when addressed to matters of your art work. I was unaware that "Black Sheep" had done well here (I'm not a fan of horror flicks, and nor is any of my whanau - o, except for some of the nevvies & grand-nevvies, but that's kind of expected eh? And *none* of them mentioned it. And 2 of them are ANZ film fans.)

    Anyway, it'll be interesting to see what happens.

    The mere thought of Gerry Brownlee 'suggesting' a course of action is a true worry.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Pat Hackett,

    So I take it that the problem for actors is that they don't join up to SAG or one of its associate organisations, then they risk being black-listed from future projects.

    Then isn't the obvious answer that a group of rogue, scab actors band together to work in non-approved SAG movies made outside the US. More cost effective projects attractive to the big studios like Warner, and which will be given to rogue producers like Jackson. The more "scabs", the more talent available to choose from.

    And once a year, catch up with the SAG team at the Oscars.

    Auckland • Since Oct 2010 • 95 posts Report Reply

  • Jonathan King,

    If I hurt Jonathon King, I apologise

    I wasn't hurt ... till you spelled my name wrong ... ;-)

    Since Sep 2010 • 185 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    O shit!
    And I am so paticular about names...

    My deepest (about Marianas Trench deep now)apologies, Jonathan-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    I googled his name and couldn't find anything

    really?
    he comes up in 4 of the first 5
    when I search and
    your comment is 6th

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Jonathan King,

    NZ Equity's membership is estimated at between 100 and 200 people. In less than 24 hours more than 500 people have signed this petition asking them to call off this international boycott.

    Equity say they are a democratic organisation; they say they are in support of workers. Will they acknowledge the voices of their brothers and sisters who work in the film industry who will be affected (some devastatingly, certainly more than the actors will -- given how long crew work on a film compared to actors in smaller roles) if this film is jeopardised?

    Since Sep 2010 • 185 posts Report Reply

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