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  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to WH,

    I can’t say that I agree with your suggestion that David Cameron, Chief Justice John Roberts and Governor Rick Perry (or indeed John Key) aren’t “genuine conservatives”.

    And you don't have to, but perhaps you can we conservatives who think the GCSB Bill and its ilk expands the state beyond it's proper and legitimate bounds and infringes on the basic civil liberties of citizens the courtesy of thinking otherwise.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5441 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    Epic fail

    Made more epic by being personnel from GCHQ.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen R,

    The concept of the Guardian having backup copies (on site or off) never occurred to them?

    I just don't understand what the GCHQ thought they were achieving.

    Wellington • Since Jul 2009 • 259 posts Report Reply

  • martinb,

    Key goes down in the fourth

    Is the Herald going to strip him of the interview heavyweight crown now?

    Auckland • Since Jul 2010 • 206 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    Maybe they were actually checking for viruses...

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2935 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Brown, in reply to martinb,

    Well that story's up and gone from TVNZ - what was it?

    Auckland • Since Mar 2013 • 137 posts Report Reply

  • "chris",

    It was John Key’s walkout, this time with clear audio of the question

    location, location, locat… • Since Dec 2010 • 250 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to "chris",

    Ah, he was called on technique and ran away.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2935 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to nzlemming,

    ...and ran away

    I reckon that was more of a flounce...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    I reckon that was more of a flounce…

    Indeed.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2935 posts Report Reply

  • ChrisW, in reply to nzlemming,

    I reckon that was more of a flounce...

    Indeed, a fluent, easy-mannered flounce that Norton didn't stop going viral - http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/john-key-s-press-conference-walkout-goes-viral-5537416

    Gisborne • Since Apr 2009 • 851 posts Report Reply

  • WH,

    perhaps you can we conservatives who think the GCSB Bill and its ilk expands the state beyond it’s proper and legitimate bounds and infringes on the basic civil liberties of citizens the courtesy of thinking otherwise.

    As the bill passed the House with every available conservative vote, I don't believe I should be expected to refer to the fact that some conservatives opposed the amendment every time I use the term.

    Perhaps we can agree to divide voters into "the parliamentarians that voted for the bill, and their supporters", "genuine conservatives, such as Craig", and a much sought after miscellaneous category.

    still manages to avoid needlessly troll-ish imputations of partisan bad faith

    Jesus Christ, Craig. You need to put the rock down and back away from the greenhouse.

    Since Nov 2006 • 797 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to WH,

    Perhaps we can agree to divide voters into “the parliamentarians that voted for the bill, and their supporters”, “genuine conservatives, such as Craig”, and a much sought after miscellaneous category.

    Or, you know, you can ask yourself who's running the NSA these days, and whether American liberals who voted for Obama - twice - bear collective blood guilt for ever warrantless interception, drone strike and nonsensical detention conducted on his watch.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    The disconnect between page one and page two of today's DomPost is staggering....

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1590 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen R, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Or, you know, you can ask yourself who's running the NSA these days, and whether American liberals who voted for Obama - twice - bear collective blood guilt for ever warrantless interception, drone strike and nonsensical detention conducted on his watch.

    The problem there is that democracy is a bit of a blunt tool. If I were able to vote in the US elections, I might well have held my nose and voted for Obama because the other option was worse.

    Back in NZ, people can be very upset with particular stuff National does, and yet vote for them because they think that Labour (and any parties they stitch up a support deal with) would be worse. That could explain National's re-election with a policy of asset sales, despite polls suggesting two thirds of New Zealanders disapproved.

    But you know all this Craig.

    Personally, one thing that annoys me in the last day or so is John Key saying that the people who oppose the bill just don't understand it. It's like he doesn't believe that intelligent people could have a different opinion about the GCSB or privacy than he does, so we must be stupid.

    Wellington • Since Jul 2009 • 259 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Stephen R,

    But you know all this Craig.

    Well, yes... that was part of the point I was trying to make with more concision than usual. :) But the other half was one thing I like about PAS is that we tend -- or at least try really hard -- to internalize really complicated situations in our heads without simplistic labels. Mostly. It's not only refreshing, but rather useful.

    Personally, one thing that annoys me in the last day or so is John Key saying that the people who oppose the bill just don’t understand it. It’s like he doesn’t believe that intelligent people could have a different opinion about the GCSB or privacy than he does, so we must be stupid.

    Yeah, that's hella patronizing as well.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Stephen R,

    I just don’t understand what the GCHQ thought they were achieving.

    Scare tactics. Be very afraid!!
    Some of the speeches in opposition to the bill were great I thought .My eleventh hour attempt email to turn Dunne got a response in minutes with the patronising " I should in no way connect his privacy breaches with Vance to this bill.Then I got the sporting analogy.Apparently the connection was something to do with the All Blacks and the colours they don't wear ??? He claimed it was only after he got the amendments making it better that he was able to. I had suggested his Party reinstated the day before seemed ever so timely .Because his response was so fast I of course had to send another email. I found his rugby analogy insulting and his amendments meant diddly squat for a bad piece of legislation and that all the experts that had come out against this bill deserved more than what Key had given . Dunne said " under NO circumstances would he support the Bill". That makes him a LIAR.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to Stephen R,

    John Key saying that the people who oppose the bill just don’t understand it

    Friend of an acquaintance on FB said, quote, "typical [political left], all noise and hype and misinformation ... [opposing forces don't understand the law]" after I talked about the potential for GCSB to spy on the likes of Greenpeace as a group, before going on to say that the GCSB will have to get a warrant through a judge before conducting interceptions. So not only was he parrotting Key, he also doesn't understand the law he's defending as not being as bad as portrayed.

    Fuck I get sick of low-applied-intellect voters.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    Fuck I get sick of low-applied-intellect voters.

    I propose a WOF for voting, coupled with
    mandatory spot intellect-tread-depth tests...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5441 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    Quite possibly, but I haven't engaged with him sufficiently to find out. The mutual acquaintance was bitching about how she's over so many people complaining about the GCSB legislation, and voicing the suspicion that most won't have read the law or understood it. She at least had the grace to concede that I would have done both when I objected to being caught by such a blanket statement.

    "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear" seems to strike a chord with that group. I'm waiting for someone to try and invoke Godwin after I pointed out that it's pretty much quoting Himmler, with all the associated badness of the quality of the justification that that entails.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • WH,

    But the other half was one thing I like about PAS is that we tend – or at least try really hard – to internalize really complicated situations in our heads without simplistic labels. Mostly. It’s not only refreshing, but rather useful.

    I have decided that what I was going to say was really mean, so I have edited it.

    One day, there should be a PAS thread where you explain your version of conservatism.

    Since Nov 2006 • 797 posts Report Reply

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