Hard News: Doug the Goth
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Ha, reminds me of the Darren Hanlon song about his punk flatmate, with the deathless lyric "Punk's not dead, she's just gone to bed..."
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My highschool biology teacher once said 'if you can pick up a pen you can do sociology'. A bit harsh, maybe... but really! An analysis of Goth music with no mention of the Sisters of Mercy? ;)
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alma mater of Lucian Freud, Malcolm McLaren, John Cale and Mary Quant
and Robert Fox........... although my influence on the art world extended no further than the Marquis of Granby.
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Perhaps I was too harsh
Not at all.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
A bit harsh, maybe… but really! An analysis of Goth music with no mention of the Sisters of Mercy? ;)
Oddly enough, the Sisters didn't feature as much as the more, er, crap bands.
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One positive about Gothdom, I always thought, was that it allowed for femininity -- both in girls and boys. It wasn't a sexist scene, and it was far from macho -- which even punk and other things around in the 80s were. There wasn't much objectifying of women going on and no homophobia, from what I remember. Historically, it came out of glam as much as post-punk, or merged the two traditions. (crucial fact: Siouxise met Steve Severin at a Roxy Music concert.)
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Russell Brown, in reply to
One positive about Gothdom, I always thought, was that it allowed for femininity – both in girls and boys. It wasn’t a sexist scene, and it was far from macho – which even punk and other things around in the 80s were.
Good point. I've also just been agreeing with Andrew Dubber that neither of us could ever recall meeting an actually unpleasant goth. Doug was a nice chap, just not quite as dramatic as he conceived himself to be.
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Perhaps it’s a phase: a few of my friends had their Goth years before moving on to other things, such as being fine reggae DJs
Indeed ... Dubhead pictured above, with Silent Decree, at Mainstreet in 1983. As I noted on my blog post: "There was only a pair of spotlights remaining above the stage. That didn't bother Silent Decree - they brought their own candles."
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Historically, it came out of glam as much as post-punk, or merged the two traditions
Has anyone done genealogy of Goth bands? Musically I always thought it started with a misinterpretation of Joy Division by a load of blokes in Yorkshire and went steadily downhill from there. I think the Glam/ post punk merger theory certainly has merit though and Siouxsie was surely one of the first with the look.
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bau wow wow haus.....
Goths = Kohl minors? -
Goths never stop being goths. A few years ago I was talking to a friend of a friend at a party. Later my friend revealed this guy "used to be a goth". Used to? Despite looking like a cooldude designer in his late 30s, he was dressed all in black and dark grey, had dyed black hair and was wearing eyeliner. Goth never dies.
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the dogged refusal of goths to stop being goths despite their advancing years.
Hollywood has thought of it- all ready
“This must be the place” starring Sean Penn as an ageing goth rocker -
This is Friday and we should probably post great Goth songs, right? (there are some ... )
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
Goths never stop being goths. A few years ago I was talking to a friend of a friend at a party. Later my friend revealed this guy “used to be a goth”. Used to? Despite looking like a cooldude designer in his late 30s, he was dressed all in black and dark grey, had dyed black hair and was wearing eyeliner. Goth never dies.
The Osbournes seem to agree. Then again, Ozzy is more metal than goth, but the two genres do have overlap.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
This is Friday and we should probably post great Goth songs, right? (there are some ... )
Good list! Although I daresay some fans of several of those bands would get quite upset at the suggestion that they were, in fact, Goth.
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nothingelseon, in reply to
Nothing quite so much fun as winding up serious Killing Joke fans by calling them Goth :-) Sisters of Mercy can still pack a dancefloor
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JacksonP, in reply to
Wow, The March Violets. I still have Snake Dance on 7”. And most of The Cults singles on 12s.
But then I was never a Goth, just a sympathizer, and kind of liked dancing to them. Especially Bauhaus’ cover of Telegram Sam.
Some more fringe dwellers.
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JacksonP, in reply to
By the way, in keeping with the Goths never die meme, had you seen this?
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Lightning: check
Maiden in white: check
Scattered rose petals: check
Candelabras: check
Crosses: check
Darkened church: check
Thrashy guitars: check...but the rest may not be what you expect!
you can read more about visual kei and Gothic lolita fashion.
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Jackie Clark, in reply to
I had forgotten all about Siouxie and the Banshees. My friend Carol was mad about them. I believe we may have done our special dance to that one, at some point.
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Does The Glove qualify as a Goth Supergroup?
Steven Severin of the Banshees and Robert Smith of... well, you know.
With unheralded vocalist Jeanette Landray. (Budgie's girlfriend)
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As this almost is turning into a Banshees homage here is a "pre-Goth" Siouxsie on the briefly fantastic ATV show Revolver - hosted by the late, great Peter Cook in 1978. The base line in Hong Kong Garden is pure Punk genius.
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Think my defining memory of Goth is our (really quite evil) white cat taking pot shots at the large black hairdos of my Goth Sister and Gothy Boyfriends from the staircase.
I know it’s almost pop, but is there no room for the cure in your hearts:
And the video which answers that long standing question about how many goths you can fit in a wardrobe:
Compare and contrast the eversoslightly camper but at the same time blander 90s version.
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*Sticks head above parapet*
Isn't some of the dunedin stuff a *little* gothy
*Ducks*
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