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...nowhere was it suggested that classical music is the only serious music...
The points about it being serious were both made in answer to questions along the lines of "Why is concert music so special/more deserving than other forms of music?" Geoff's inference was understandable (apart from misremembering it as "classical" when the word used was "concert").
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Christoper, I'm not advocating elimination. People who are into classical music should keep it alive for sure. I like it myself.
Ben, I think you should be reciting this glorious stuff on Concert Radio.
Bedtime with Ben? A bit of slow Vivaldi in the background and I'll have the entire country snoring in minutes.
Do you honestly think radio will still be around in 20 years time ?
Sure of it. Think how long it's been going already. It might change a bit, but I'm pretty sure there's only going to be more radio. It really is a good way of delivering one way long distance data. Perhaps the exact technology will change, something like the move to FM, but the basic idea will continue.
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Robbie Siataga - listening came before reading- some form of listening
encoded, accessible *outside a human voice*, radio or whatever- will be looong looong around...As far as historically recorded & available stuff is concerned, pictures/carving hold first place. And some - few- carvings/edifices- actually were designed to produce sounds...
I pay taxes. I dislike hiphop. I dont listen much to any kind of radio
(except through the computer) and watch very little tv. But - I live in a remote area, and am lucky enough to have a considerable CD/DvD collection...Back to that 'I pay taxes': I hate the fact that I cannot direct where my taxes go. Politicians would fight the coming suggestion to the death - because - whence comes their power? - but I'd love to see us taxpayers (and almost everybody does in ANZ) enabled to choose priorities as to where our money goes/is expended.
We would, under the rule of law, getting close to a true democracy.
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Yup sure was!
Head over to the Southerly post for the Ados reference.Oh god. I feel so feeble-minded. Sorry.
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Oh god. I feel so feeble-minded. Sorry.
This conversation has been so fast and furious, misinterpretation is quite likely. I have already misremembered. I don't recall another recent thread which has attracted this level of response and views.
Feeble-minded? Never!!!
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Getting into any "secret agenda" conspiracy theory that, by its very nature, cannot be disproved is neither.
Craig, The Secret Masters of the Universe riff is yours, not mine. I don't think there is a secret agenda. I'm of the opinion that these things just happen if you let them and don't take active steps to avoid them. Sort of like erosion. If you never bother to maintain the flood defences because you'd prefer to spend the money on a late-model Euro car and a flat-screen TV, then you're going to wake up one morning and find half your house in the sea.
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Do you honestly think radio will still be around in 20 years time ?
Well, I can think of one good reason why it still shoud be. I'd very much like to see how civil defence is going to communicate with large numbers of people after The Big One hits, except via airwaves. It's a little difficult to stream news off the internet when your provider's servers are buried under 5ft of rubble and your cable network looks like a pretzel on acid.
And radio survived the advent of televison (40-50 years ago) very well indeed, seeing as there are dozens more radio stations available now than there were back then. I suspect both TV and radio will still be going stong (albeit heavily mutated) in another 40-50 years.
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I'd love to see us taxpayers (and almost everybody does in ANZ) enabled to choose priorities as to where our money goes/is expended.
We would, under the rule of law, getting close to a true democracy.thanx Islander and yup, that would be choice
And some - few- carvings/edifices- actually were designed to produce sounds...
Hmmm interesting...I'd heard of large wheel like carvings hung flat from trees and struck to produce bell like sounds, possibly made from pounamu ? Like this only bigger ?
http://www.thepoiroom.co.nz/photoServer/product_images/8432E248-423C.JPG
Do you know of such things ? And natural edifices enhanced for the wind to whistle through sounds like a wicked idea. I'm sure there'd be Creative NZ funding for that :)
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Do you honestly think radio will still be around in 20 years time ?
I will bet you $100 that it will be. You can collect from my estate, if I am proven wrong and not around to deliver ;-)
Radio is ideally suited to ordinary days and extraordinary days. I suspect my prized Sony wind-up radio will be very handy in an emergency.
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stong (albeit heavily mutated)
Shit has it started mutating already....
Phew... Im on a blog.But yes, what value would be lost? I have a friend whose stereo is tuned to ConcertFM. And the glorious or dark or haunting or weird strands of music that waft from the speakers during lulls in conversation is enough for me to not want music (principally) stations of any strip culled.
But those talkback/talkfest ones, are they a disease?
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I'd love to see us taxpayers... enabled to choose priorities as to where our money goes/is expended.
Am I the only person envisioning nightmare scenarios here? Complete gutting of the entire welfare system, and an entirely taxpayer-funded daily showing of Sensing Murder?
(Terrible realisation: I apparently think most people in NZ totally suck. Oh dear.)
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I look forward to the Media 7 debate tonight.
Russell: is the 54 minute slot for Media 7 to be shared with The Ad Show every week? -
I will bet you $100 that it will be. You can collect from my estate, if I am proven wrong and not around to deliver ;-)
Ok, you might still get ham enthusiasts on limited frequencies spitting out nostalgia for no one but their mates. A sort of diehard pirate mentality. And yeah, an emergency civil defense channel booted up in times of need.
But even with wireless broadband streaming net content live from someones bedroom or vehicle for free to your cell phone and bluetoothed to your car, do you think there'll be obsequious radio jocks getting paid shitloads for doing crap breakfast shows, lame talkbacks shows and subsidised niche broadcasts to increasingly irrelevent minorities rapidly being absorbed into the mainstream ?
Dunno eh but i doubt it. kids these days (just going from my own) don't do radio so are you suggesting it's an adult acquired taste they'll develop in later life ?
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I'd love to see us taxpayers... enabled to choose priorities as to where our money goes/is expended.
Am I the only person envisioning nightmare scenarios here?
Uh, yeah. California's had a lot of fun with these kinds of ideas. One result is that the education system is horribly underfunded. The flagship University of California system is hundreds of millions of dollars in the red. This is what happens long-term when you expose financial planning to public referenda.
Personally, I think that people who see these schemes as a "great chance" to "choose priorities" aren't sufficiently scared of their fellow citizens. Spend some more time at Your Views. Read the comments at stuff.co.nz. This is what we're dealing with.
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Dunno eh but i doubt it. kids these days (just going from my own) don't do radio so are you suggesting it's an adult acquired taste they'll develop in later life ?
Well, the research that Ruth Zanker and I have done on the media use of 8-13 year olds (two different studies, in both the North & South Islands, with a pretty substantial n in both cases) does show that radio is still important to this age group (as is TV). On a personal level, my 16 year old daughter has a radio on all the time, and we have regular battles over the car radio.
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Craig, The Secret Masters of the Universe riff is yours, not mine
Rich: Well you asked the question. I do think the whole "death of a thousand cuts" meme is balls, but I'll be damned if I'm going to bother trying to rationally engage with people who are absolutely convinced that this is a prelude to the (figurative) sack of Rome by the Chicago School babaroi. Seriously, I'm staying away from that Facebook group for a reason -- I'm sure the overwhelming majority are perfectly reasonable sincere folks, but the rest... If I'm going to keep walking into pointless and meaningless shit-storms there's nobody else to blame but the jerk who looks out of the bathroom mirror every morning.
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And natural edifices enhanced for the wind to whistle through sounds like a wicked idea. I'm sure there'd be Creative NZ funding for that :)
Not quite natural structures, but there are artists with interests in that direction, notably Chris Cree Brown.
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Terrible realisation: I apparently think most people in NZ totally suck. Oh dear.
Not just most people in NZ - it's a global phenomenon! ;-)
But no, I can only see nightmare scenarios as well. Most people who want this seem to get annoyed about particular issues where they don't agree with how their taxes are spent. They seem to forget that they may agree with the remaining 95% of tax spend. The effort required to be directly involved with all tax spending would be, well, taxing.
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two different studies of 8-13 year olds does show that radio is still important to this age group (as is TV).
Important in what way and does that importance tail off in the 13 to 18 set when they become more 'puter savvy and an interactively networked social life of music swapping and gossip can't be delivered by radio ?
My kids and i have battles over whose mp3 player to play from in the car. And now they've started playing tunes off their phones while taking showers. Nothing more annoying than hearing a shit tune on a cellphone coming from the bathroom...grrrrr
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Robbie: I do acknowledge that change is happening but I don't believe it is as seismic a shift nor as dramatic as much of the rhetoric claims. This is based less than on what my children have done/are doing, than on the research I have been involved in, the hundred of students I encounter every semester, what my wife tells me (she teaches media in a large girls' school), what the network of media teachers around the country tell me.
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I don't believe it is as seismic a shift nor as dramatic as much of the rhetoric claims.
I agree in the short term, but one only has to look at media and format changes in the last 20 years to extrapolate a seismic shift for the next generation. My six year old wouldn't know what a radio was or how to turn it on and tune it but he can hook up the playstation by himself at 6.30 in the morning...go figure
In my day we told teachers what we thought they wanted to hear not neccessarily what we really thought. I'm going to assume that hasn't changed much.
Interestingly, what does media studies entail these days ? Got a link ? I'd love to do some night classes but...oh well :(
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My six year old wouldn't know what a radio was or how to turn it on and tune it
You really should introduce him to the joys of radio, to add to the joys of newer media. I added a turntable to my stereo system, just so my children could hear what vinyl sounded like. Just like I show Citizen Kane to my students or play them Bo Diddley's 1955 recordings, so they can share the rich heritage I grew up (there is an echo here of some of the arguments been made upstream in this thread?).
Media Studies covers a universe of possibilities. Indeed, I argue that it is the subject that fits best in the vanguard of changes in technology, production, distribution and consumption. Take a look at our website http://www.waikato.ac.nz/film, or the Media Studies community on the mega-education TKI site. Unfortunately we don't do nights but there are web-delivery options.
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The flagship University of California system is hundreds of millions of dollars in the red. This is what happens long-term when you expose financial planning to public referenda.
Come to think of it, California itself is in the red. Proposition 13 has a lot to answer for.
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404 on your Media Studies link, Geoff. You need to take the public address part of the URL out.
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