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Hard News: "Creative" and "Flexible"

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  • Jolisa,

    Danyl, if you're just playing with us, I might take my ball and go home now, or at least over to the secret socialist-music-geek clubhouse, where we'll eat cake with ice-cream while singing Tainted Love, and I'll finally learn how to spell anarcho-syndicalism and Khachaturian.

    Even if the philosopho-political arguments aren't working for you, care to volley any of Russell's pragmatic interjections (tis his thread after all) back over the net? Because they're pretty sensible.

    Auckland, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 1472 posts Report

  • Paul Litterick,

    Though I have to say it would seem more "radically egalitarian" if the "great culture" made available to everyone actually reflected.. everyone

    Or do you mean a reflection of a stereotype of what everyone should be, a model village where the brown folk sit on their porches strumming guitars and ukuleles, while their kids get down to the hip hop, the Asians listen to their haunting traditional music and the black kid has a bass guitar in his basement?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1000 posts Report

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Let's say it was disestablished.

    But I think only Danyl has ever suggested that Russell (maybe National is going to suggest it, we'll see). The middle ground of advertising/sponsorship is surely more likely.

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  • Sam F,

    Or do you mean a reflection of a stereotype of what everyone should be, a model village where the brown folk sit on their porches strumming guitars and ukuleles, while their kids get down to the hip hop, the Asians listen to their haunting traditional music and the black kid has a bass guitar in his basement?

    Another minor prediction on the back of my runaway success in the Scottish thread: this will not end well.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1611 posts Report

  • Jolisa,

    I, personally, would like a taxpayer-funded commercial-free radio station dedicated entirely to the practically endless and radically egalitarian awesomeness that is soul music. I don't think this is going to happen, though...

    Well I’m one who happens to think the pinnacle of high culture on the radio is test cricket. Important too. ...but I never thought of it as some birthright.

    Guys! Dream bigger!! If you expect nothing, you get nothing. Think Big Radio! If the government can build a dam to employ underemployed workers, they can damn well build Radio Cricket, and Teh Awesome Soul FM, and UkeLive to employ all those vast hordes of broadcasting degree graduates and documentary film-makers who will otherwise be swelling the ranks of the unemployed. We wouldn't even need to rack up a huge o'seas debt, just run it on a shoestring and some #8 wire. Channel the arts dole sideways, zero sum game, might even make a bit of dosh selling the T-shirts. Creative! Flexible!

    Whoah. Gotta put down that tin of polyurethane. Smells good, but.

    Auckland, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 1472 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    and the black kid has a bass guitar in his basement?

    Turntables, surely.

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  • Paul Litterick,

    South Park reference: Token Black, the token black, had a bass guitar in his basement, although he did not know it. He also found he could play it, thereby confirming Cartman's stereotypes.

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  • Sam F,

    Okay, so my powers of prediction have failed (thank goodness)...

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  • Russell Brown,

    But I think only Danyl has ever suggested that Russell (maybe National is going to suggest it, we'll see). The middle ground of advertising/sponsorship is surely more likely.

    And I'm provisionally relaxed about that, the problems I've outlined (especially the real-world scarcity of that kind of sponsorship) notwithstanding.

    I'm not a Concert listener, but I can see how it fills a role in a cultural ecosystem, at a relatively modest cost.

    There's been some discussion about whether Concert listeners are old white folks. If they are, then that's actually quite a strong argument for direct funding, because people over 54 are more or less excluded from the advertising industry's target demographics.

    There's a reason that commercial talk radio is full of ads for magnetic mattresses, pollen and other nostrums -- that's one of the few categories advertised to old folks. Would Concert or National be able to air advertising for such products? I think there'd be an outcry.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • giovanni tiso,

    There's a reason that commercial talk radio is full of ads for magnetic mattresses, pollen and other nostrums -- that's one of the few categories advertised to old folks. Would Concert or National be able to air advertising for such products? I think there'd be an outcry.

    Followed by a dramatic improvement in the nation's posture.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report

  • Paul Litterick,

    I don't recall the Scottish thread; was it like the Scottish Play?

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  • Just thinking,

    Mean while at the trough:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10627936

    When others take money they're not supposed to they get fired, maybe even a conviction.

    One law for all eh? Tough on crime eh?

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report

  • Sam F,

    I don't recall the Scottish thread; was it like the Scottish Play?

    If I hadn't left out the capital T in Thread it would have been clearer, but yes.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1611 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Facebook's Save Radio NZ has 12, 450 fans now - young and old, male and female. They're ready to fight 'em in the streets.

    OMFG... time for some Sondheim.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • Christopher Nimmo,

    What is so special about concert music?

    Jan Farr said above that concert music is serious music. It's true. Western 'classical' music traces the entire history of Western philosophical thought. It is an aural history, and that history is incredibly important to society. I'm certain the same is true of the musical-philosophical traditions of other cultures; it's certainly important that these are reflected in the Concert Programme, but it's also significant that contemporary 'classical' music in New Zealand is strongly reflective of multiculturalism - Gillian Whitehead, Jack Body, John Psathas, Gao Ping and so on; Alfred Hill aeons ago - there's very little that is untouched by our place in the world. More than Midnight Youth or whatever they're called? I'd say so. More than Shihad? I'd say so. More than Smashproof? Lyrically? No. Musically? Hmmm.

    Wellington • Since May 2009 • 97 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Facebook's Save Radio NZ has 12, 450 fans now - young and old, male and female. They're ready to fight 'em in the streets.

    OMFG... time for some Sondheim.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia,

    When others take money they're not supposed to they get fired, maybe even a conviction.

    One law for all eh? Tough on crime eh?

    Just Thinking: I think you'll find the Kiwibuggers next door...

    ETA: I actually think Phil Heatley and Gerry Brownlee richly deserve all the stick they're going to get, and if I was the PM they be torn new arseholes. But a little Kiwibog worthy theatrics going on?

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • Jolisa,

    Oh, that Sondheim. I had "Send in the Clowns" running through my head. Isn't it rich?

    Auckland, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 1472 posts Report

  • BenWilson,

    Jan Farr said above that concert music is serious music. It's true. Western 'classical' music traces the entire history of Western philosophical thought.

    Yes, I distinctly remember the substances vs universals debate in Debussy.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report

  • Jolisa,

    (NB Save Radio NZ fans =/ clowns, just to be clear).

    Auckland, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 1472 posts Report

  • Just thinking,

    Craig, you don't have to take an attack on greed and theft by others so personally.

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report

  • Paul Litterick,

    Oh, that Scottish Thread.

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  • Steve Barnes,

    What? They have a Ministerial Credit Card?
    Whatever happened to claiming expenses and getting reimbursed?
    It's not like we don't pay these people enough to have some cash in their wallet or have an Eftpos card. Most people who work for someone else, like working for the people of New Zealand for instance, have to find their own way to work and pay for their own lunch.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    ETA: I actually think Phil Heatley and Gerry Brownlee richly deserve all the stick they're going to get, and if I was the PM they be torn new arseholes. But a little Kiwibog worthy theatrics going on?

    I think their breaches of the extremely tight rules (which don't even allow the minister to reimburse spending on his or her card) are trivial, and Goff's attempt to beat it up was weak, if inevitable.

    I'm much less impressed by Murray McCully's undeclared mining interests.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • Christopher Nimmo,

    Yes, I distinctly remember the substances vs universals debate in Debussy.

    I would suggest that Debussy would be the wrong composer to consult. The development of um... development, and in particular the relationship between symphonic development and its contemporary manifestations might provide better insights.

    Wellington • Since May 2009 • 97 posts Report

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