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  • Elizabeth,

    Craig, you know a few libertarians? Poor you. You have all my sympathy :)

    Kapiti • Since Nov 2008 • 20 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Craig, you know a few libertarians? Poor you. You have all my sympathy :)

    Thanks, that and three fifty should buy me a long black. But I'm quite happy to know people who actually think due process, the presumption of innocence, some curbs on police powers and all that wet liberal crap is a bloody good thing. They're something of an endangered species in Parliament at the moment, but never mind.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Elizabeth,

    I haven't been on here long but you do make me smile. Your 3.50 is in the post :)

    Kapiti • Since Nov 2008 • 20 posts Report Reply

  • HenryB,

    I'm quite happy to know people who actually think due process, the presumption of innocence, some curbs on police powers and all that wet liberal crap is a bloody good thing

    You mean the kind of thing that informed HC's actions in relation to WP?

    Palmerston North • Since Sep 2008 • 106 posts Report Reply

  • Eleanor,

    Would it not be possible for you to do your own homework on that one Eleanor? She hasn't exactly been in hiding for the past nine years.

    What an ineffectual and pointless retort. It was a genuine question.

    I have done homework, including asking questions of King's own constituents about her specific effectiveness.

    That's exactly why I remain perplexed.

    Any specific glowing examples of her handiwork that have eluded me verbwrangle? Or are you one of the unconditional, accepting masses?

    wellington • Since May 2007 • 81 posts Report Reply

  • Ian MacKay,

    Funny. There was a couple of clips tonight advertising the late news.
    2 seconds each.
    Goff & King striding purposefully and confidently towards the camera.
    Key and group milling loosely. Key's face looking uncertain.
    Funny how an image can stick after such a brief moment.

    Bleheim • Since Nov 2006 • 498 posts Report Reply

  • Ian MacKay,

    Craig: "quite happy to know people who actually think due process, the presumption of innocence,"
    Now that I totally believe in and so do you unless it is Clark, or Peters, or Veitch.

    Bleheim • Since Nov 2006 • 498 posts Report Reply

  • Elizabeth,

    Key's face looking uncertain

    Yes, I saw that too and it has stuck in my mind as well. I think it is dawning on him that what he has taken on is not just another promotion at Lehmann Brothers....(oh that's right, couldn't be anyway, they're gone burger)

    Kapiti • Since Nov 2008 • 20 posts Report Reply

  • Elizabeth,

    I know a couple of exclusive brethren (excommunicated mind), and they-re both on the wagon . Do I get any commiseration for that?

    The utmost. And them as well. Poor b*ggers. Are they managing??

    Kapiti • Since Nov 2008 • 20 posts Report Reply

  • LegBreak,

    I like Goff. I think he'd make a good PM; probably a better PM than Leader of the Opp.

    But FFS; is it now a requirement in this MMP age for leaders to be as bland and sensible as possible?



    I'm almost missing Winston already

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1162 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    2 seconds each.

    Goff & King striding purposefully and confidently towards the camera.
    Key and group milling loosely. Key's face looking uncertain.

    Funny how an image can stick after such a brief moment.

    You know, I have been impressed and surprised by Key's campaign -- I actually think the party owes him a due. And that he's quite smart.

    But if anything kills him, it will start with little frames like that.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Laki Laban,

    Another question: can someone explain to me what exactly Annette King did or didn't do that causes so many people to unquestioningly accept and support her so much?

    Would it not be possible for you to do your own homework on that one Eleanor? She hasn't exactly been in hiding for the past nine years.

    Well to tell the truth verbwrangle I must agree wholeheartedly with Eleanor. I have been a member of King's electorate for the past two government and am aware of absolutely nothing that King has done as my supposed Government representative either for my electorate or the wider community - other than as the outgoing Minister of Health tried and failed to introduce the the very misguided and unpopular ANZTPA.

    Then as Police Minister blamed the moon on an increase in violent crime (during summer when naturally there are fewer moonlight hours), plus the "Guerillas" in the misty Uruweras saga,.....

    BTW no I didn't vote for the Right........

    Rongotai Electorate • Since Nov 2008 • 5 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Oh ... wow. Total tip o' the hat to Josh Marshall, but this the most precious wingnut response to Obama's win.

    Take it away, John Hinderaker from former Time magazine blog of the year, Powerline:

    Obama thinks he is a good talker, but he is often undisciplined when he speaks. He needs to understand that as President, his words will be scrutinized and will have impact whether he intends it or not. In this regard, President Bush is an excellent model; Obama should take a lesson from his example. Bush never gets sloppy when he is speaking publicly. He chooses his words with care and precision, which is why his style sometimes seems halting. In the eight years he has been President, it is remarkable how few gaffes or verbal blunders he has committed. If Obama doesn't raise his standards, he will exceed Bush's total before he is inaugurated.

    Cognitive dissonance at its awesomest.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    He's a fourth generation brethren, whom would say "praise the lord brother" every time we hit the road and at each completed stage of the journey.

    Hopefully he's not into praying to the Lord to find him a parking spot. That's being a real god-botherer.


    Re. Annette King - in the late 80s she was briefly famous for claiming that evil advertisers were inserting subliminal messages into print ads - specifically of 'tortured faces' - in order to coerce reformed alcoholics back to drinking. I remember on McPhail & Gadsby's show a custard pie was fired at the screen, with an invitation to Ms. King to find a tortured face in the image.

    I kind of assumed that she'd, you know, matured, but then she came up with the moon thing.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Eleanor,

    I kind of assumed that she'd, you know, matured, but then she came up with the moon thing.

    Thanks, Joe. I will wander now to Lyall Bay beach, with a custard pie and a large bottle of alcohol, to look upon the moon's tortured face, and meditate on that.

    Damn, it's still a bit cloudy.

    Just like the King career highlights... that still elude me.

    wellington • Since May 2007 • 81 posts Report Reply

  • Ian MacKay,

    Actually I am not sure what you can easily identify from many MP's on a local plane. Our electorate MP National, is a very pleasant chap, the young Mr King. But I know of nothing specifically that he has done in the electorate, other than open things. (like doors and bottles.) He might have done important things but not in my ken.

    Bleheim • Since Nov 2006 • 498 posts Report Reply

  • Eleanor,

    Actually I am not sure what you can easily identify from many MP's on a local plane.

    So a constituency MP vote might as well be a Party vote then??

    Anyway... I don't care.. The Groke has Spoke, and sHe is my friend. :o)

    wellington • Since May 2007 • 81 posts Report Reply

  • Figgie,

    You also forgot to mention Elizabeth Dole - the Republican Senator from North Carolina who got defeated by Democrat Kay Hagan. Hagan was given little chance against Dole but after Dole ran the a nasty smear campaign against Hagan the voters expressed their disapproval. It was great to see.

    Since Mar 2007 • 6 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Goff & King striding purposefully and confidently towards the camera.

    Why do I hear Tina Fey's Sarah Palin offering to do some "fancy pageant walking"?

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Now that I totally believe in and so do you unless it is Clark, or Peters, or Veitch.

    Back the fuck up there, Ian. If you want to go elsewhere on this site, I've bent over backwards until I could kiss my own arsehole to say Veitch is entitled to the presumption of innocence until proved guilty in a court of law; but his own public statements were, to put it mildly, somewhat unconvincing.

    And Peters? My God, that's one running buffet of bullshit I'm not going to sup at again. You will excuse me if I say once more (and for the last time, I hope) that after the best part of twenty years of experience, I've ample reason to seek a second opinion if he says fire is hot and water is wet.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Jan Farr,

    Or are you one of the unconditional, accepting masses?

    No.

    Carterton • Since Apr 2008 • 395 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    But if anything kills him, it will start with little frames like that.

    RB: Anything to say about Key actually talking to the Maori Party? I thought that was never, ever going to happen -- and not as if it's strictly necessary. There are some people who look at a glass and say it's half-empty. Others say it's half full. And some folks only see something else to throw on the floor and break.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Eleanor,

    No.

    O well that's good then. So your homework must evidently differ from mine.

    verbwangle's example to follow:

    wellington • Since May 2007 • 81 posts Report Reply

  • Jan Farr,

    Then as Police Minister blamed the moon on an increase in violent crime (during summer when naturally there are fewer moonlight hours), plus the "Guerillas" in the misty Uruweras saga,.....

    Ah - Helen's gone, Judith's gone - is Annette the next sacrificial woman? Most of us - and nearly all politicians - have said stupid things - I suppose they get tired. But if you're really looking for substance, why would you focus on the the trivia - or are we all just getting into the habit now? In my experience (17 years in her electorate) she was a good constituent MP - intelligent, decisive, inclusive and well organised. She maintained an efficient, effective and loyal team around her - and that takes some doing - you should try it some time. As for her record as a minister I think that in all of her posts she's been hard working, consciencious, well-informed and gutsy.

    Carterton • Since Apr 2008 • 395 posts Report Reply

  • Peter Ashby,

    He's a fourth generation brethren, whom would say "praise the lord brother" every time we hit the road and at each completed stage of the journey.

    Death cult, keep the peeps focussed on the possibility of dying at every oportunity then add the fear of ending up in the hot place with pitchforks. Tried and tested methodology that one. Not good for the psyche but.

    Dundee, Scotland • Since May 2007 • 425 posts Report Reply

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