Posts by DexterX
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Hard News: The Next Labour Leader, in reply to BenWilson,
In case you didn't notice, the Greens have been in government several times, too. They were a big part of the reason Labour got 9 years.
Th Greens were not part of the 2005 Coalition - which was Labour, Progressives, United Future and NZ First.
Th Greens had an agreement with Labour to abstain from voting on confidence and supply issues - they were not part of the govt.
Taking votes off the Greens counts zero when it comes time to put a coalition together.
I don't think the Greens are anywhere near ready to part of any Govt - their role, as I see it, is to sit on the sidelines developing and advancng "pure" policy initiatives which will have some influence on the Lab/Nats.
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CGT and compulsory savings, and raising the retirement age.
Labour, are to my mind, effectively pursuing three strikes and we are out. Lab had nine years to do CGT, CompulsoryDavings and rasining the reitement age and didn't because they wanted to remain in Govt.
With Labour pursuing their current policy direction/settings they will effectively gift Key a
thrid term.Whoever becomes the next Labour Leader will have a hard jup until 2014 - Labour are unlikely to be the next Govt. The green party vote could well play a significant role in keeping Labour out.
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Cunliffe will do better in the house as Leader and would, however, he may be bypassed in f avour of Shearer which won't bode well for Labour.
Cunliffe has the sense of humour - His observation when interveiwed by Paul Henry on Radio live along the lines that - "If Judith Collins was the last woman left on earth the human race would cease to exist", was funny and rude.
Shearer seems wooden, I douibt he would have lowered himself to the level. which is Paul Henry.
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Hard News: The Next Labour Leader, in reply to Bart Janssen,
Imagine the sympathy if Bronagh had an affair ... 20 years of Key?
Laughed my face off to that.
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Key in his capacity, as a private citizen, who is also the Prime Minister, has made a compliant with the Police on a matter, which he considers is a criminal breach of his privacy.
The Police in investigating the matter have executed a search warrant – after first waiting for the outcome of a declaratory judgment sought by Ambrose as to whether the tape was private or public. I am OK with this it is what it is - it isn't to my mind media on a leash.
A copy of the judgment is here:
http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/news2011/pdf_documents/Ambrose%20v%20AG.pdfThe Judge refused to issue a declaratory judgment for good reason and the police investigation continues.
Read Paragraph 13 of the Judgment – Key and his staff after being asked for the tape by Ambrose handed it over – I think I recall footage of this on the TV News which showed someone, Key perhaps, opening the bag handing it over to someone who turned it off and removed the batteries.
This action to me indicates that Key knew the machine was on, that it was likely the conversation had been recorded, and I am not disputing the fact that Ambrose states leaving the tape/microphone on the table was unintentional – despite the recording device being on and in a bag that is in clear view.
Interesting what Key and Ambrose say as reported on Radio Live:
http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Bradley-Ambrose-the-teapot-tapes-freelancer/tabid/506/articleID/24469/Default.aspxPolice are investigating a complaint made under s 216 of the Crimes Act.
Under the Crimes Act the s 216 B Prohibition on use of interception devices
(1) Subject to subsections (2) to (5), every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years who intentionally intercepts any private communication by means of an interception device.To me the matter concerns the behaviour of two (three if you include Banks) private citizens, which will likely be decided by criminal proceedings, which will produce a watershed judgement on matters relating to matters of private conversation (of public figures) and intercept and intention to intercept.
Ambrose will be placed in the position of having to prove his innocence.
There are obvious political nuances to all of this. Though I am comfortable with two private citizens exercising their rights at law in a way that will set a judicial precedent.
What concerns me about the event is that Key was WITLESS enough to put himself in this position and I wonder did he have to first get legal advice on how to contain the oversight before lodging the complaint – was the complaint signed on the 14 Nov 2011 actually signed by him and did he have to trot down to Auckland Central and be interviewed by the police before they acted - I would love to see a copy of the complaint.
It would be funny if “it” is a matter of Joyce and Key getting on the “bat phone” to the police after consulting with legal counsel Caisley & Piper, who then lodge the compliant for him. As we all know Key was too busy at the time – so busy in fact he couldn’t appear in Court for the Ambrose hearing – as an aside I would have thought that Ambrose’s counsel should have summoned and served John Key to make sure he turned up as a witness.
All in all it is about as good as drivel gets.
How come Banks didn't also lodge a complaint with the police?
Seriously this Key is running the country – he again illustrates an absence of real life commonsense and a disconnect from reality.
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Hard News: Democracy Night, in reply to Joe Wylie,
Thats more than a little rich?
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Hard News: Democracy Night, in reply to Kumara Republic,
What would Nikki Kaye do?
Do to who??
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Hard News: Democracy Night, in reply to Sacha,
face the world as it is
You mean go to Australia?
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Hard News: Democracy Night, in reply to Sacha,
no
Are they in and counted??
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Hard News: Democracy Night, in reply to Islander,
especially Maggie Barry - she's a broadcaster right?
And her other fields of expertise are?I almost forgot - being a target for gob.
Glad I got that off my chest.
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Hard News: Democracy Night, in reply to Kracklite,
am not joining the chorus saluting Phil Goff for so honorably falling on his sword.
Goff's Hare Kari may be premature - a Labour Govt or left coalition could result from special votes - unless of course special votes are presently being shredded.
I feel National's most cunning election ploy was their management of the economy - setting a course to drift centre right of the sun – and the rate at which affected voters disgusted with National's lack of strategy and NZ's lack of work left for Australia. I can only see that trend accelerating.
It is game over for working people.