Posts by Hayden Wilson
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keep them coming...
The cutting edge?
Postcards from Edge-Comb?
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I'll be interested to see the full story on this one...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10476182
Iraena Asher's family and house part of the raid? The potential conspiracy theorys abound...
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The question that must be asked, is, "do the "terrorism files" show the other side?"
They are the affidavits presented to a judge in order to get the search warrants that were executed on the 15th of October. As a consequence, they are a selection of juicy evidence that can be construed as presenting a case for search warrants. They aren't a complete or balanced summary - that's not what they are designed for.That may well be true in practice, but it is not how the search warrant application is supposed to work. Applications fundamentally are supposed to be a complete and balanced summary so that the judicial officer is able to make a reasoned decision - certainly both the Police and other agencies have been criticised by the Courts for not doing so.
If you're right, and they weren't, any half-decent defence counsel could well have had the information gathered biffed as improperly obtained if it had gone to trial.
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I don't know what goes on inside gang headquarters, but if a gang started building up weapons and undergoing paramilitary training and talking about killing prominent people in a reasonably serious way, the police would ramp things up a lot.
Yes, they would- the point that I was trying to make was that in doing so they probably wouldn't have invoked the TSA, they would have used the general criminal law. It seems the defining difference is the fact that these were activists.
I was thinking about what our reaction would have been if this had happened 10 years ago when we were both in the thick of these very movements. You know we both would have been pretty sick for someone to take 'our' issues in this direction.
damned straight we would
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For my part I 'm intrigued by the comments and the response. Certainly the comments are worrying and suggest illegal activity, but are they really any different from what would be heard if the Police bugged any one of the numerous gangs in NZ?
Should they have taken action based on what was said, of course. Does it warrant the response they used, I'm not so sure - we have the run of the mill criminal law to deal with this kind of behaviour (as no doubt it will now).
What worries me is the seemingly instinctive response along the lines of "well, the TSA didn't work to get these guys, so we need to strengthen the TSA" rather than "the TSA didn't work because it wasn't intended to work in these circumstances, lets use the powers we already have..."
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Not inappropriate but one of the Australian cricketers commented the other day on having "worked his nuts off" to recover from an injury.
The next question was "How do you feel?" to which he replied...
"Well, my groin's a bit sore..."
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...it should go on tour (at least to Wellington!)