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Hear how a real man can take responsibility for his role in family violence:
streaming:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/national/ntn/tony_veitch_sagadownloadable:
http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn-20080714-0912-Tony_Veitch_Saga-048.mp3 -
Ian, stop digging. Violence is not a matter of "chance" but of choice and your continued ignorance of that is getting tired. Go read the link to Tapu Misa's column and perhaps reflect on why your position has sounded like minimising Veitch's actions.
In some forums repeating the same point over and over without showing the slightest sign of listening to others would constitute trolling.
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And another angle from someone who can write:
Model behaviour? That's not his role
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4617036a1861.htmlMen who put women in wheelchairs do not require any extra judgement on the basis of their being role models.
Besides, do you know of anyone who "looks up" to the likes of Veitch and his fellow autocue plug-ins (as I once read them uncharitably described)? They may well be admired or even envied for their jobs, salaries and lifestyles, but that constitutes aspirational behaviour in the same way wanting bigger breasts makes Pamela Anderson a role model for certain women.
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And in stark contrast (and perhaps the definition of apologist from a dim hack dependent on "celebrities"):
About Town With Bridget Saunders
http://stuff.co.nz//blogs/abouttown/2008/07/14/lionising-violence/Come on … We have to stop bleating and whining… Let’s admit it. We love The Bash! It’s part of our culture.
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For those who want reassurance that commenters in this thread are not lone voices:
Tapu Misa: When sorry just doesn't cut it
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/466/story.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10521343&pnum=0Not surprisingly, Veitch seems to have played down the seriousness of the assault, both when he told his bosses at TVNZ and The Radio Network late last year and when he made his carefully scripted public apology last week, in which he offered up the classic excuses familiar to those who work with the perpetrators of domestic violence.
...if this week I should beat my child so violently that she ends up in hospital with four cracked vertebrae, unable to walk or attend school for some time, and if somehow I convince her to lie about how she got her injuries (to spare her the humiliation of publicity), I hope you'll all just mind your own business and let me get on with mine, because either my intentions were loving but I went just a bit too far, or I "broke" and "lost it" but said sorry afterwards and promised never to do it again (and I was sorely provoked).
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Yeah, I've been about as nuanced and empathetic as you're going to get from me, that's fer sure. Moving on.
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Roger I don't have the references or the inclination but I remember one study where the spike of family violence after a game was actually higher if the team won.
It's all about arousal and the prevailing culture around gender and violence, and as someone pointed out earlier it's the same in many other countries although the dominant male team sport may vary.
Police and Womens Refuge, etc, would have the local rates that show a correlation, but you need other evidence to robustly make sense of it.
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You mean taking the piss?
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And then I found these from the Sunday Star Times:
Veitch's ex-partner told police of assault
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4616914a10.htmlTony Veitch's ex-girlfriend reported his attack on her to police in July last year, but instead of laying a criminal complaint, she demanded a $150,000 compensation payment from the sports broadcaster.
Fall from grace a staged 'media culpa'
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4616981a11.html
It's not OK to hit someone. Ever
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4617035a1861.htmlYes, there are emotional complexities when someone you know and love assaults you. This is why wife- beaters (and child abusers) stay out of jail. This is why crimes by loved ones go unreported. Forgiveness, loyalty and shame work in mysterious ways.
But violence is violence, assault is assault, regardless of the location. In the home, doesn't make it better. Handier, yes, but not better. In this case, kicking a woman on the floor and breaking her back is not made better by the fact it was your bedroom floor. The law applies in every room, in every suburb. That bedroom is a crime scene, and the payoff was a cover-up to pervert the course of justice.
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When a payout was agreed seems to be disputed.
In the smaller Herald story today, Veitch seems to be saying it was right after his attack, in her hospital room. TVNZ are suggesting it was only after their meeting with him in November last year, quite some time later.
Craig, what does the full Holmes interview say about that?
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