Speaker: Copyright Must Change
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So for the works that you've retained sole control of, where might I legitimately acquire your stuff from, other than you?
I don't have a monopoly on 'songs'. you can get 'song's off other people. some people give them away. some of them are not to your liking.
you don't have to read the bone people, you could read the remaining 6 chapters of that e book,it depends what you are inferring by monopoly. I read it to mean in the way it has been mentioned before in this thread where it is said the 4 major labels own and control a huge swag of material.
There's always new material being made which isn't part of that monopoly yet, and given easy ways to self distribute may well not need to become part of it.
protection of law for that future possibility, (one where the creator manages their own works and receives fair recompense for it) seems a fair thing to ask. -
Good one Rob
Cheers enjoy. ;-) -
In case you're feeling a little lonely out there Rob here is someone who shares your point of view.
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someone who shares your point of view.
while amusing, this has very little to do with my view or the issues I'm concerned with.
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Classic Colbert - "My lawyers sue by the syllable". Heh.
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Rob. De nile is not just a river in Egypt
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Rob. De nile is not just a river in Egypt
an I was going to apologize for my substandard barney the dinosaur joke, but I can see Dad style jokes are perfectly fine in the present company :)
tell us more about how you resent the people who's stuff you want for free.
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tell us more about how you resent the people who's stuff you want for free.
What resentment? there is no resentment.
If you, or anyone else for that matter, wish to try and entertain me and I am entertained. Then I shall applaud, you know, with that pointless banging together of the hands that is so common in western society. Or, if I find your actions and sounds so entertaining I wish to repeat that experience that so entertained, then I will find a way to repeat it.
If, on the other hand, your motive is to extract money from me by telling me over and over how great you are and that I must purchase your wares or join the squares, then I make my choice whether to do so or not. If you choose to produce so many copies of your works that they can be found in the bargain bins of low brow retailers as surplus stock then that is nobodies fault but your own. If there comes a device that can make as many copies of something that the original becomes worthless as a tangible piece of property then that's life. Get over it and get a proper job.an I was going to apologize for my substandard barney the dinosaur joke, but I can see Dad style jokes are perfectly fine in the present company :)
Maybe you should take some advice from your elders occasionally and desist with the tantrums.
Who ever told you life should be fair? -
If there comes a device that can make as many copies of something that the original becomes worthless as a tangible piece of property then that's life. Get over it and get a proper job.
See, you lost it there.
I like good music, and if takes people getting paid some money to work full time for the world to have good music, I'm in favour of that.
We'd be a lesser world if all musicians got 'proper jobs'.
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We'd be a lesser world if all musicians got 'proper jobs'.
Most musicians I know do have "proper Jobs"
The point is we should not "criminalise" sections of society to guarantee someones free lunch. The "Recording Industry" is a bubble who's time has come to burst. Do you recall a campaign during the 70's called "Keep Music Live"?
It was run by the musicians union and opposed by the recording industry. It was a reaction to "Disco"
Do you remember "Home Taping is Killing Music"?
I could go on but the point is that things change, shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted is just plain dumb.
You want me to buy something? make me want to buy it. Make it better than what I can get for free. -
to guarantee someones free lunch.
you lost it there too.
who said it was free. it shows a lack of understanding of what goes into making your entertainment, like it some how magically appears finished on your tv, movie scree, laptop, ipod etc.
while some lunches cost less to make than others, none of them are free.and desist with the tantrums.
what tantrum was that, I had a decidedly big grin on my face as noted by the :) thing.
I'm cool with you expanding on what you see as valid arguments.
you've obviously arrived at your position through some degree of experience and thought and its illuminating to see what that process was.as for no resentment, phrases like "Free Lunch", and "Proper Job" show a little don't you think, maybe not so much resentment as disdain?
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Most musicians I know do have "proper Jobs"
that's an economic reality of a small country.
but furthering your argument are you saying that media should be created for free.
the other side of the proper job argument is that next to none of our talent will develop past what they can achieve in their spare time. and as you'll know spare time evaporates as the years go by."Recording Industry" is a bubble who's time has come to burst
recording industry is a loaded and vague term. who are you talking about specifically. the majors, everyone who ever put note, word or image to tape page or film and all the associated people who contribute to that effort, (equipment developers and makers, to tech staff, to office workers etc etc)?
"Keep Music Live"?
It was run by the musicians union and opposed by the recording industry. It was a reaction to "Disco"I remember musicians trying to battle replacement by discos ie people playing records. I don't remember the recording industry having any objection to it.
Do you remember "Home Taping is Killing Music"?
sure, and the much better catch phrase "home taping is skill in music"
The an order of magnitude difference between dubbing tapes for you friends and a free for all amongst strangers.You want me to buy something? make me want to buy it. Make it better than what I can get for free.
how does your trusty convenience store owner deal with that issue?
security measures.
you want to buy something? pay for it.
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The point is we should not "criminalise" sections of society to guarantee someones free lunch.
I need to keep reminding myself why this discussion on here is a complete waste of time, from both sides. Thanks for that.
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Rave on Robbery], rave on.
Whatever.
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bye.
hey....
I was polite to you and I do think its important to expand on your opinion. you represent a sizable chunk of society who holds similar views. I'd like to understand why you hold them, and address them. I wasn't insulting to you anywhere in the previous 2 statements. -
It was run by the musicians union and opposed by the recording industry
What 'recording industry'? Where? Sorry Steve, that, is just nonsense on so many levels.
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Rave on Robbery], rave on.
I knew Van Morrison. You, sir, are no Van Morrison.
(Besides, I bet Rob looks nothing like John Donne)
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I bet Rob looks nothing like John Donne)
This guy?
put a ruff on you and a bit of beard sculpting and blue light and I think you might pass for him.
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That's him.
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put a ruff on you and a bit of beard sculpting and blue light and I think you might pass for him.
Especially the "portrait as a young man". That's kinda spooky.
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Oh, please. I can forgive Rob, who's only got my gravatar to go by, but you've actually met me.
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http://gordoncampbell.scoop.co.nz/gregg-gillis-of-girl-talk-talks-copyright/
[posts link, flees]
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What 'recording industry'? Where? Sorry Steve, that, is just nonsense on so many levels.
Although there were no "official" statements issiued on this at the time there were people (Ashley Kozac springs to mind, yes I am that old and I was there) who saw "Disco" as a way of improving sales of records that required no real bands. Session musos and producers, such as himself, could produce records without relying on real bands and live performance and the sales push would be through "Discos"
The "Rave on Robbery], rave on." was a reference to Buddy Holly, who generated a vast amount of cash for the industry but gained little for himself, for obvious reasons.@Lyndon
Yes, I was just listening to BFM's "The Wire" discussing that very article.
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has anyone ever been prosecuted for formatshifting/home taping (ie transfering your legally bought item to another format like an ipod or cd for the car?
its often touted that its illegal but does anyone ever get done for it?
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The "Rave on Robbery], rave on." was a reference to Buddy Holly,
Then it was too obscure. It should have been "Rave on Robbery, it's a crazy feeling"
who generated a vast amount of cash for the industry but gained little for himself, for obvious reasons.
Yeah. He died in a plane crash.
Straining to see any resemblance to a point.
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