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  • Keir Leslie,

    A book some of you might find interesting.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report Reply

  • jon_knox,

    Cheers Keir. That book has a bit to wade through. Am yet to read enough to determine if it holds water.

    I did note some similarity between what the book seems to suggest and an article from The Economist regarding antibiotics & globalisation in a comment about the consensus view on protectionism in the form of barriers to trade.

    Belgium • Since Nov 2006 • 464 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    That book has a bit to wade through.

    let us know if its any good. that's a serious investment of time to read it there for an e book which costs f all to 'publish'.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • jon_knox,

    A smart Knowledge Management & Social Media guy pointed me in the direction of the following regarding when cost based models fall/collapse.

    So I had a little look around and found the following short vid, which seems to quite nicely & efficently (phew!) join up a few dots.

    Taking it to the next level is a presentation that is probably Foocamp type stuff.

    Belgium • Since Nov 2006 • 464 posts Report Reply

  • jon_knox,

    Here's a slick
    counterpoint
    to the "filesharing is stealing" message that seems to get a bit of airtime.

    Belgium • Since Nov 2006 • 464 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    I like the way Shirky thinks and I thoroughly recommend his book "Here Comes Everybody". I've just bought another copy to give to a colleague.

    A lot of his earlier writing is also on his site. For instance, Gin, Television, and Social Surplus is a good brief read:

    Desperate Housewives essentially functioned as a kind of cognitive heat sink, dissipating thinking that might otherwise have built up and caused society to overheat. And it's only now, as we're waking up from that collective bender, that we're starting to see the cognitive surplus as an asset rather than as a crisis.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Shirky presenting about Social Surplus - better than the text:

    and

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    Thanks for that Sacha - will redeem my xmas book tokens for Here Comes Everybody.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    For instance, Gin, Television, and Social Surplus is a good brief read

    Hell, that's a great brief read. It might even get me writing again this evening.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1609 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Yeh, I didn't want to oversell him but I found Shirky's relaxed and easy delivery of big concepts just goosebumpy at times, and so was reading the book. I would love to be able to write like that.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • jon_knox,

    Shirky presentation seems fairly reasonable and I must say that the ebook Keir doesn't seem too bad either from the first couple of chapters that I've poured into the speed reading website.

    I've just started to see if I can fact check/pick a few holes in the first few examples in the ebook being the James Watt/engine and the music publishing/film industry examples.

    To my surprise I think the publishing numbers used in chapter 2 are entirely consistent with the sorts of numbers Rob would have us believe.

    Slightyly off topic, but I listened to a podcast last week, which the BBC has now hidden in which the "More or Less" team talked to a Prof Philip Tetlock who has been involved in the study of the accuracy of political forecasts and I'll suggest that the results are applicable, as the copyright issue is a political one.

    When asked to identify if there was any type of expert that has emerged in his research as potent factors impacting the accuracy of a forecast, Prof Tetlock indicated 1 factor that emerged as a potent factor which he explained using the analogy of Hedgehogs & Foxes. The factor identified was a cultivated capacity for self-criticism and was in the example the behaviour of the fox.

    Later in the interview, Prof Tetlock was asked to make a prediction , to which he responded "I study forecasters, I don't make forecasts", though he subsequently added he hopes that having studied the relevant history does confer some improvement in the accuracy of the forecast, which is no small relief.

    Belgium • Since Nov 2006 • 464 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    New Herald opinion piece about s92 by Telecom's Pat Pilcher.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Mark Harris,

    Pilcher is generally an idiot, rehearsing all the usual lines about how bad piracy is, but it appears someone at Xtra has woken up and said "Hang on a minute! How much will we be liable for???"

    Waikanae • Since Jul 2008 • 1343 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Pilcher is generally an idiot,

    And says things like........

    As draconian as these measures sound, the illegal downloading of copyrighted content is theft.

    How many times will this old chestnut be trotted out?
    It ain't theft, it's copyright infringement, a civil offence. The moment you start chopping and changing laws to include civil offences with criminal offences you risk the long downhill slide into a Police state run for the benefit of those that are lucky enough to own stuff. It reminds me of a kid I knew at school who tried to charge people to look at his comic books, well, until someone nicked them and gave him a slap.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    Hell, that's a great brief read.

    Word up! Most impressed by that.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    I disagree vehemently with it, but can't seem to be able to comment.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    I blame the gin..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Heh!

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Sacha: funny commenter on PAS, or the funniest commenter on PAS?

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Hell no, I aint got nothin on some like linger.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    and modest, too...

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    How many times will this old chestnut be trotted out?

    I suspect most people don't care about the distinction. I certainly don't. I don't care whether it's termed 'theft' or 'illegal copying' or 'copyright infringement', I know what I'm doing and where it fits on legal and moral scales.

    "It's not theft!" is the worst argument in favour of change. I don't particularly care about the label, it's the action and what it means (or doesn't) at the other end that is the issue.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Sense of humour seems to be a random and individual thing. Always a delight when it connects with someone else's.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Mark Harris,

    "It's not theft!" is the worst argument in favour of change.

    Just as "Copyright is theft!" is the worst argument for rushing through legislation which will have serious side effects without achieving it's major aim. Whether you are discussing the DMCA or s92a or C-61 in Canada, the distinctions do matter. If you can't get the definitions right, you can't discuss the matter rationally.

    Littering is also illegal. By your reasoning, that makes it the same as theft, therefore we can say that "littering is theft" and thus punishable by jail terms.

    Waikanae • Since Jul 2008 • 1343 posts Report Reply

  • Mark Harris,

    Besides, people arguing that "It's not theft" are usually arguing against change, for a given value of change that equals more and more restrictive legislation.

    Waikanae • Since Jul 2008 • 1343 posts Report Reply

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