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Hard News: The true meaning of Tutaekuri

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  • Neil Morrison,

    ...wandering round Rome with placards making a bloody nuisance of themselves.

    I think it was more those friendly pagan sun and moon worshipers the Romans making a spectacle of them at the Coliseum.

    Nature worship wasn't such a great idea either.

    Since Nov 2006 • 932 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Of course we were a lot happier and freer from guilt when we were worshiping the sun or the moon, or a waterfall or something that gave us life. It's only when those clever semites, with a need for the ultimate in social control, came up with the concept of a God we couldn't see, but who could see and hear us and knew our every thought. That's when we began shitting ourselves and racing around trying to freak everone else out. If it hadn't been for Constantine the Christians would still be a fringe loony group wandering round Rome with placards making a bloody nuisance of themselves.

    That's a rather nice paragraph ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22825 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    Oh yeah, blame the Jews. It's all our fault. We schemed it, you know. And while you're at it, ignore the fact that the quintessentially Aryan Persians had a very similar bunch of ideas, which were equally prevalent at the time. And that the Romans knew all about social control, which they achieved with circuses and gladiators. Yeah, maybe if it weren't for Constantine (or really Diocletian) Christians would still be wandering loonies. But you'd be moaning about Mithraist or Zoroastrian thought control as you toddled off to see the All Blacks kill the Wallabies.

    ... so a big pile of bullshit, really,

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • John Francis Logan,

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  • Stephen Judd,

    When he says "my Jewy, Jewy day", that's funny. When you say "clever semites... thought control", it clangs in my ears like "Asiatic" and "natural sense of rhythm".

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Kath Dewar,

    Oh yeah, blame the Jews. It's all our fault. We schemed it, you know. And while you're at it, ignore the fact that the quintessentially Aryan Persians had a very similar bunch of ideas, which were equally prevalent at the time.

    The scheming predates the Jews, Christians and Muslims. All three religions stem from the same root - the Aryan tribes in the far north of what's now Europe who worshipped a harsh, male, volcano-top God, celebrated the power of the sword and domination and controlled wealth through male-line inheritance.

    Over several thousand years they invaded, settled and spread through what's now the rest of Europe, the north of Africa and the Middle East, taking control from the nature worshipping (usually expressed as a mother earth goddess) people who celebrated power as responsibility, (symbolised by the grail/font/cup), and where knowledge was symbolised by the serpent/snake and often passed, with wealth, through the female line. (Please forgive epic generalisations!).

    Anyway, the documentation and emergence of Islam, Christianity and Judaism all came from this same root and together they systemically completed the transformation of society from generally pantheistic and often matrilineal/matriarchal to where we are now...

    There is heaps of fascinating stuff on this which readers/contributors to this thread might enjoy - including the systematic destruction of the earth-goddess temples and the demonisation/appropriation of the symbology of that belief system (serpent, font etc) in two books by archaelogists I've read the last year or so;
    When God Was A Woman by Merlin Stone
    www.realgroovy.co.nz/books/isbn/015696158X#details

    and The Chalice and the Blade by Riane Eisler
    www.realgroovy.co.nz/books/isbn/0062502891

    Not that I'm suggesting the answer is matriarchy ;-> and as far as I'm concerned the moment any spiritual belief is structured into an organised religion with rules and power structures it has the potential to exploit people.

    However, there must have been some good stuff going on - there is hard evidence that one of the last strongholds of the 'earth religion', Minoan Crete, enjoyed peace for 1000 years.

    Piha • Since Jan 2007 • 2 posts Report Reply

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