Posts by Deborah
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Bigotry and hatred are big words to throw around
Yes... but I can't help but think that people spouting bigotry and hatred rely on our good manners not to call them out on it. As long as everyone is polite and civilised and above all nice in their manner, you can say quite vicious and nasty things.
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The only thing better than a lapsed Catholic is helping one to lapse.
Funny... my husband says that.
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I don't think so, but since when do you take my advice? :)
There is that... Not that I've bought any OSC for years and years now in any case.
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I'm not going to put a penny in [Scott's] pocket.
Does buying his books second hand count?
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There are a variety of beliefs about IVF from individual Catholics. In the current NZ Catholic Joy Cowley writes that IVF is pro-life given how wanted the children are.
That is certainly the case from individual catholics. But it is most emphatically NOT the teaching of the church, nor the position of the church hierarchy, and it is disingenuous at best for you to use onrdianry peopel-in-the-pews Catholics to cover up the hatred and viciousness peddled by the official church.
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Though this little piece from Islander has me chuckling:
There has never been, in ANZ, such a thing as an homogenous society - nor, 'in the West' has *anything* ever been understood universally.
Peace, Jane Austen...
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Well, yes, Tess has been civil, but only civil in so far as she has been spouting the Catholic church's nastiness very politely.
I think I got riled at this point:
Likewise it's not licit for a baby to be conceived outside a woman's body, eg. IVF.
Nice. My three lovely, gorgeous, wonderful daughters are sins.
Repeating this kind of viciousness isn't any better for it being done in a civil manner. Maybe it's even worse.
And then there's this piece of crap:
Although you know that every old lady in the parish would be praying for you to be fertile again and there would be rosaries upon rosaries offered for it
Having been through infertility, within the Catholic church, I can tell you that this is simply not true. Our infertility was swept under the carpet, and when I asked for prayers for the infertile during Advent (you know, those four weeks before Christmas when everyone talks about the impending birth - a wretched time if your arms are still empty), I simply got an embarrassed silence, and then a specious prayer about bearing the burdens god gave us. But apparently it was impermissible to mention the heartache felt by those who could not have children.
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And it hurts having to pay $20 for a size 14 free-range corn-fed at the local supermarket.
$12 for a size 18 free range chicken here in Adelaide. On special. Not corn-fed, 'though. I normally expect to pay about $14 for a free range chicken big enough to feed my family.
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Well thanks to Deborah and Emma for further bulwarking the defence against even that argument.
Ah... yes... now that I've actually read the thread instead of leaping in all barrels firing I see that Emma had already thoroughly trounced that non-argument.
[slinks away]
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the Church is still the originator ("tangata whenua"?) of marriage and has a certain power of veto.
Nonsense! The merest acquaintance with say, the customs and laws of the Roman republic would alert you to the existence of confarreatio and diffarreatio, the forms of marriage used by the ancient patrician families, long, long before the Romans were particularly aware of the existence of people who called themselves Jews, and long before the birth of Christ.