Posts by Riddley Walker
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i hear John 'Never Did Me Any Harm' Tamihere is frothing about this now. WTF? is anyone aware of the Tamihere family history?
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cheers Kyle
seeing's how repetitiveness is becoming the sine qua non of this discussion:it has always been a crime to smack a child and carries a maximum sentence of 2yrs jail. as it stands you can also be sentenced for kidnapping for sending a kid to their room - that carries a maximum sentence of 14 years.
as the law stands police investigate if they receive a complaint, and after investigating they then decide whether or not to press charges.
then the case goes to court where a judge and jury consider the merits of the case.
the only thing that actually changes is that 'reasonable force' is nolonger a defence specific to parents who mistreat their children sufficiently for the police to press assualt charges.
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oh now i get it, no wonder they're so freaked out about losing their Right to Beat
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you wouldn't find any of the Right to Beat lobbying indulging in all that sinful book-learnin
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and again even. or maybe its jame vu?
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i wager 500:1 they are.
spare the rod and spoil the child my son - maybe that's what all those convicted priests thought they were doing, by not sparing the spearing they were actually saving? -
Heather
i don't know of any list of those against, opponents seem to only quote the mythical and amorphous 'moral majority of right thinking nzers'. a browse of kiwiblog, the Union of Failures, or the musings of Leighton Smith might turn up something concrete - but i doubt it.maybe Dads4Justice will tell us which organizations that have a genuine interest in children's wellbeing are actually opposed?
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i guess Collins is attacking all these organizations that officially support the bill too:
UNICEF New Zealand, Save the Children, Barnardos NZ, Royal Plunket Society, Office of the Children's Commissioner, Families Commission, Jigsaw – Child Abuse Prevention (representing 14 member organisations), IHC, Amokura Family Violence Prevention (representing 7 iwi Chief Executives), Churches Agency on Social Issues (represents Presbyterian, Methodist, Quakers and Churches of Christ), NZ Council of Christian Social Services (represents 6 major church social agencies), National Council of Women New Zealand, NZ Federation of Business and Professional Women, National Network of Stopping Violence Services (33 members), Relationship Services NZ, Paediatric Society Of New Zealand, Action for Children and Youth Aotearoa, NZ Foster Care Federation
Women's Refuge (49 member refuges), NZ Psychotherapists Society
Parents Centre, NZ Psychological Society, NZ Child Care Association, NZ Playcentre Federation, NZ Federation of Graduate Women, CCS,
Brainwave Trust, Child Development Foundation, Pacific Foundation (founder Lesley Max), National Council for Young Catholics, Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom, ParentingWorks, Youth Law Project, Wellington Community Law Centre, NZ Association of Counsellors.btw, here is a pick of HMS Collins, spooky likeness, no?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fr/thumb/5/5a/HMS_Collins.jpg/120px-HMS_Collins.jpg
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here's a list of organizations that support Sue Bradford's bill.
UNICEF New Zealand, Save the Children, Barnardos NZ, Royal Plunket Society, Office of the Children's Commissioner, Families Commission, Jigsaw – Child Abuse Prevention (representing 14 member organisations), IHC, Amokura Family Violence Prevention (representing 7 iwi Chief Executives), Churches Agency on Social Issues (represents Presbyterian, Methodist, Quakers and Churches of Christ), NZ Council of Christian Social Services (represents 6 major church social agencies), National Council of Women New Zealand, NZ Federation of Business and Professional Women, National Network of Stopping Violence Services (33 members), Relationship Services NZ, Paediatric Society Of New Zealand, Action for Children and Youth Aotearoa, NZ Foster Care Federation
Women's Refuge (49 member refuges), NZ Psychotherapists Society
Parents Centre, NZ Psychological Society, NZ Child Care Association, NZ Playcentre Federation, NZ Federation of Graduate Women, CCS,
Brainwave Trust, Child Development Foundation, Pacific Foundation (founder Lesley Max), National Council for Young Catholics, Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom, ParentingWorks, Youth Law Project, Wellington Community Law Centre, NZ Association of Counsellors.isn't it odd that despite the so called 'majority of nzers' that are outraged by this bill, the groups that actually have some understanding of the law, and who are actively involved in making a positive contribution to children and families' lives completely support it?
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here's a list of organizations that support Sue Bradford's bill.
UNICEF New Zealand, Save the Children, Barnardos NZ, Royal Plunket Society, Office of the Children's Commissioner, Families Commission, Jigsaw – Child Abuse Prevention (representing 14 member organisations), IHC, Amokura Family Violence Prevention (representing 7 iwi Chief Executives), Churches Agency on Social Issues (represents Presbyterian, Methodist, Quakers and Churches of Christ), NZ Council of Christian Social Services (represents 6 major church social agencies), National Council of Women New Zealand, NZ Federation of Business and Professional Women, National Network of Stopping Violence Services (33 members), Relationship Services NZ, Paediatric Society Of New Zealand, Action for Children and Youth Aotearoa, NZ Foster Care Federation
Women's Refuge (49 member refuges), NZ Psychotherapists Society
Parents Centre, NZ Psychological Society, NZ Child Care Association, NZ Playcentre Federation, NZ Federation of Graduate Women, CCS,
Brainwave Trust, Child Development Foundation, Pacific Foundation (founder Lesley Max), National Council for Young Catholics, Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom, ParentingWorks, Youth Law Project, Wellington Community Law Centre, NZ Association of Counsellors.isn't it odd that despite the so called 'majority of nzers' that are outraged by this bill, the groups that actually have some understanding of the law, and who are actively involved in making a positive contribution to children and families' lives completely support it?