Posts by Glenn Pearce
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Legally relevant perhaps but I still think the same level of uproar would have occurred had they been labelled Out of Scope or not
The phrase "Out of Scope" is sort of inflammatory in itself though, it implies not justified or secret it some way.
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In/out of scope is kind of irrelevant it's the scale of the late changes that has people upset, most (including many of the Councillors) would have been expecting limited changes from the Notified version.
It's certainly a shambles
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Hard News: So what now?, in reply to Swan,
At 6 hrs 11 minutes in the Video linked to above it is displayed on the screen.
Just re-read it actually, it only mentions the "out of scope" changes, I believe there was an alteration to allow out of scope that are error cortrections to proceed.
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Hard News: So what now?, in reply to Swan,
Well if that is what has happened (and I don't think anything has happened yet, the council issued a statement saying they are working through it) then they have taken an action contrary to the motion that was voted on.
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Hard News: So what now?, in reply to Swan,
Sorry, I see what you're getting at, yes because the motion specified 2 dates it would have included some in scope changes but the late alteration to the motion should allow those to proceed if they were error corrections.
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Hard News: So what now?, in reply to Swan,
It would interesting to know which councillor told you that.
The wording of the motion they voted on clearly stated all changes submitted on 2 specific dates (that I don't recall) and there was a late alteration during the meeting to exclude minor changes that were error corections.
It covered all the out of scope (blue).
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Hard News: So what now?, in reply to Wichid,
Quite, the labelling "out of scope" is largely irrelevant. It's the "surprise" nature of it and the general lack of transparency that caused the problems.
As I've said before if the revised maps were issued with notes for each area indicating why each of the zoning changes had occurred and justifying they would have been better received.
I still don't think the revised maps are even available on the Council website? They only on the Stuff and NZ Herald sites I think.
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Hard News: So what now?, in reply to Wichid,
The crowd was certainly hostile but Pirritt was poor when she started off talking about St Heliers Bay Rd and Riddell Rd which of course aren't in Glendowie.
Then when Brewer read the guidelines for MHU (near train, bus routes, town centre etc.) and then pointed out areas of Glendowie with MHU that have none of those she had no answer.
That's my humble opinion anyway.
I thought Shale Chambers example from West Lynn was enlightening too. A resident have made a passing comment in a submission that lead to a Neighbour's house being rezoned THAB which then because of the step down planning rules meant the surrounding properties were re-zoned as well. All because of a passing comment in a submission, when the submitter found out they were horrified and withdrew the submission according to Chambers.
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Hard News: So what now?, in reply to Wichid,
because of inter-dependencies will collapse on itself.
Serious question, if the Out of Scope changes have inter-dependencies on other changes then by definition they're not Out of Scope surely?
What would be an example of an Out of Scope change that had inter-dependencies on other changes.
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Hard News: So what now?, in reply to Sacha,
Well I did hear Pirritt rather than Duguid say it might be difficult to get the planners to defend the previous version of the plan knowing the work that had gone into the revised version (although she also said the subject hadn't actually been broached with them). I didn't catch them saying the planners would "refuse", but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
On that note I thought Pirritt/Duguid did a fine job of defending the Out of Scope changes in Takapuna when pressed by George Wood but they did a dreadful job of defending the Out of Scope changes in Glendowie when pressed by Cameron Brewer.