Posts by stephen clover

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  • Hard News: The Mood,

    __if we're all going to be doing apocalyptic banality here's how__

    Holy jaysus, I think my brain exploded. Owowowowowowowowow

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report

  • Speaker: What goes on tour,

    Cmon Idiot, lay off

    "Misdemeanor". Classy way to talk about rape.

    Obviously what was meant was NOT the corrupted legal definition (of an offence of limited seriousness) but the "true" one (plainly and simply, a misdeed).

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report

  • Speaker: What goes on tour,

    I don't know, this one where drunk sex with strangers is good clean fun and god knows how many unplanned pregnancies, STD infections, and rapes occur because of it is pretty horrific for me. And generally speaking, it's not even going to be risk-taking for good sex.

    God yes. The bad, bad, drunken sex. Perhaps future versions of humans will come with (a la Craig) a Libido Killswitch (TM) which will allow us to quell our base urges with one slight digital manouevre.

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report

  • Speaker: What goes on tour,

    Anyway, who are these assholes that have been heaping blame on the girl in question? I have not been keeping up with this story. And I may have to go back under my rock; the thought of being surrounded by a society full of people who think like this makes me want to cry.

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report

  • Speaker: What goes on tour,

    featuring a kickass performance from a very hot leads Melanie Griffith and David Andrews

    Whoops, sub-editing FAIL. I was originally just exhorting the hawtness of David Andrews, when I realised that Melanie Griffith fair sizzles as well. Oh well.

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report

  • Speaker: What goes on tour,

    And it is actually the opening scene of Cherry 2000. The story of which involves a man discovering that a real woman is better than a robot. I'm not sure if that's relevant to this or not.

    I think it's relevant because (a) it's a fantastic, fun movie featuring a kickass performance from a very hot leads Melanie Griffith and David Andrews, and (b) it highlights the IMHO nonsensical aspects of such explicit pre-sex act verbal negotiation and assent-reaching as Paul is touting.

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report

  • Speaker: What goes on tour,

    Paul:

    yes it is - I think that if you don't you leave yourself open to misunderstandings and you may commit rape without realising it - you need assent from your partner (as does he/she from you).

    While I agree that this would clear up a hell of a lot of grey area, the reality of it seems like some kinda futuristic Sci-Fi scenario. Do you practice this garnering of assent yourself? Or is it just an ideal, at this point.

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report

  • Speaker: What goes on tour,

    Paul, I'm still alarmed by the tone of your comments which seem to suggest that consent must be explicitly and verbally negotiated before the commencement of any sexual behaviour. Is this really what you mean?

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report

  • Speaker: What goes on tour,

    Fascinating...

    Deborah:

    Not saying "No" does not equal consent.

    Obviously, but then Paul:

    not saying "yes" means no - that means you have to ask and get a reply - if you can't ask the answer is probably no.

    Finally I'd add if the other person can't make that determination (even if they'd say "yes") [...] then it also means no.

    Are you sure? If that's true then sadly I have to confess to being a rapist, as well as having been raped.

    I guess I'd better let the other people involved know about this.

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report

  • Hard News: Recreations,

    For some reason

    with which I hope you won't be traveling through Wellington airport

    .. immediately made me think "that is the style of English up with which i cannot put".

    "I treat the hotel as 'my large house' and like to share my taste in art with our guests. Glad you enjoyed it."

    The art there IS great; particularly notable for its (1) contemporaneity (2) degree of difficulty, and (3) not being necessarily restricted to being executed in pigment suspended in some medium and applied to a support of some kind (canvas, board).

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report

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