Posts by Bart Janssen

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  • Hard News: Friday Music: History, motherfuckers, in reply to Russell Brown,

    To be clear, if Danielle could find the time to write a music post, I would be very proud to publish that post here.

    We need a fanboy club! With T-shirts!

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  • Hard News: Friday Music: History, motherfuckers, in reply to Dean Papa,

    See it works like this, if you say something stupid and offensive and IMO bullying in a moment of well ... stupidity ... And then you regret it ... Then what you do is apologise
    Simply
    Completely
    Without excuse
    If you don't apologise you can't claim to regret it ... simple really.

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  • Hard News: Event Season, in reply to Islander,

    kraken

    And we could get Liam Neeson to start each race by shouting ...

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  • Hard News: Event Season, in reply to Luke Williamson,

    shore-based trebuchet

    Spectator participation! Oh I seriously want a trebuchet someday, launching paint bombs at America's cup yachts sound like a great excuse.

    Maybe we could have the marks decided by online spectator vote instead of boring logical yachting rules.

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  • Hard News: Event Season, in reply to Farmer Green,

    what do you have to say?

    You are presenting the data and models produced by a consensus of scientists as if it was an opinion based vote. That is deceptive and completely inappropriate, you are trying to deceive your audience into thinking scientific consensus is the same as a vote at your local rotary club - that is nonsense and if you had any resepct for the importance of the subjects under discussion you would not present such a deceptive argument. I hope my utter contempt for such a tactic is clear.

    The reality is that scientific consensus is reached by rigorous peer review, by rigorous retesting of data and models. These are real data, not opinions at a meeting. It is not a vote. It is that multiple methods and multiple analyses reach the same conclusion, that is consensus.

    That you reduce yourself to such dishonest presentation of something as important as scientific consensus is a mark of the value of your argument.

    And with that I will stop because this is not the thread for this.

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  • Hard News: Event Season, in reply to Farmer Green,

    Science is not consensus ; consensus is not science.

    That almost sounds true - however it is in fact bollocks.

    As someone actually doing science day to day and involved in funding and dissemination of science I can tell you and anyone else who might care - that science is most definitely a result of forming a consensus of hypothesis and model based on multiple observations by multiple methods.

    That is consensus at work, it is the way science works. But I'm sure you'll come up with another quote to support your open mind.

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  • Hard News: Event Season, in reply to Luke Williamson,

    a paintball gun

    You mean those coloured dots behind each boat aren't paintball cannon splashes????

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  • Hard News: Event Season, in reply to Hebe,

    And data, as we all know, can be framed to fit most any position if the position is determined before the data is gathered.

    Sure. Seen that done many times. But when you get lots of different groups all producing independent data that show the same thing then my inclination is to believe the data and change the way I think. It's called a consensus of scientific opinion for a reason.

    Once such a consesus is out there then folks arguing are doing so for reasons other than a desire to open minds.

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  • Hard News: Event Season, in reply to Hebe,

    require minds to be prised open

    In my experience people using that phrase are generally the least willing to have their minds changed by ... you know ... data.

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  • Hard News: Event Season, in reply to Islander,

    the ‘kids’ I know

    Great to hear.

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