Posts by mark taslov
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Mark - this is uncalled for and out of order.
As far as I am aware, this is the first time you've made any sort of mention of your ethnicity (as opposed to your current country of residence) on this forum.
I doubt TracyMac has (had) any idea what 'colour' you are when she posted, and it was and is irrelevant to her reply.
I could also point out that you have no idea of her ethnicity, either.
This isn't the first time you've pulled out the race card when someone has disagreed with you, and I for one would appreciate it if you used it a little more sparingly.
109 words Rich, for what?
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As for you, Mark, take a jump. I left home when I was 17, in 1986, and it was fucking hard. \
So you left home at 17 too. minus the 12.5% interest.
so I don't see what the fucking problem is with a hand-up at the right time (unlike dear old Paula).
I don't either, I see handing a check and then turning your back as inferior to giving the check and making sure the kid adjusts well to the adult world as well as making efforts to try to reconcile any problems that may have necessitated the family break up. If I weren't mistaken I'd guess you're just having a go because I'm yellow.
Steve.
Yeah, in which Nic provided a good reason for retaining the benefit, to which you responded with your glib “live with a relie” comment, and Matthew pointed out the problems with assuming that option will suffice. I’m not an advocate for Matthew, I just wondered if you could address those points. I guess not.
Well, considering they're looking at cancelling the benefit and spending $150 million on the plan to keep all New Zealand under 18 year-olds in school, or in training (in the same breath). I naturally assumed that everyone who qualifies for the Independent Youth Benefit, would simply be put on some other kind of allowance. and at the very least still kept fed, clothed and housed, I'd imagine it would be highly unlikely that a New Zealand Government would expect all under 18s to be studying without these provisions. So to me Nik's question seemed moot.
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Thanks Sophie, et al for understanding. Honestly, I've been making a real effort to curb the incendiary this year after my train wreck end to last year. But days like today show I've still got a way to go...quite frankly I'm pretty damn glad everyday I log in to find I haven't been banned.
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Maybe it's changed a bit since your friend was 16. Or...perhaps the policy is solid & the execution is lacking funding.
I'd say that's probably the case, my experience of this thing is pretty warped dating back to 97-98 I had no fewer than 5 flatmates on this benefit, 3 of whom skipped out owing rent. 2 of whom were pretty much their own admission scamming, one of whom's parents I got to know, and who admitted to basically just letting their daughter join the benefit so she could go flatting with her friend. What I was supposed to do as a non-caregiver but primary tenant when these kids didn't go to school for a month? Why wasn't there a case worker on the case? Just seemed like some of the after service wasn't there.
This is mainly why I wasn't into Matthew's example...If not the family then who? me?
Ok thank you Joe, that was a good reason.
Mark, if the parents are still so hopeless that they are not interested as grandparents do you not think that the alchoholism counselling would have equally fallen on deaf or disinterested ears?
well it's interesting. The alcoholic did eventually get help about 5 years later, then he remarried and he now has two grandchildren from his new family to dote on (step), such is life. So it's not that he's not a good grandfather, just merely that he's not a good grandfather to the of the child who he failed with.
I don't know, I was just disappointed she was excited at getting a 1.5k rebate after forking out $4.5k over two years with the entire family in the same city.
No points for guessing which city.
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Your completely naive assumption that all members of families are both known to each other and in full possession of aroha for each other and the capacity to feel and express it. I suppose the examples of dysfunctional families that have been presented to you on this thread just slid teflon like from your mind?
I don't recall making that assumption Peter, but I strongly agree with you. I'm pretty sure my example above re: the alcoholic household was a clear enough indication of where i'm coming from.
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we would be buggered if it weren't for grandparents, for example
I'm sorry to hear that Jackie and yet at the same time I'm glad that it is the grandparents and not state that are intervening, maybe I'll get blasted for saying it. But wherever reasonable I feel family is the best port of call, I know what you and Heather and Islander and Matthew and by proxy Steve mean that the family is not always available or in anyway suitable. My examples are isolated. my tone is often exacerbating and morbidly coloured by my own experience of these issues. When I spoke of the break down of the family I wasn't saying it's totalled and off to the crusher, simply that we could pour a little more oil.
Maybe I'm in a small minority of kids who grew up in the same town as their grandparents and seldom saw them, maybe my mum complained a little too much about that. Maybe I was selective when remembering certain cases of friends in a similar situation, but compared to experiences in both Europe and Asia, I have always been puzzled by the ways i see a lot of families operate back home. Not the good ones mind. Just the ones like mine.
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Dude, if that benefit was really easy to get, every rebellious 16-year-old with a bee in their bonnet about being told off for smoking a joint would be on it. C'mon.
I'm not saying it's easy to get, never did, I'm simply maintaining that the people I know who've received it have had little or no back up from the government. And mainly that nothing was done to deal with the core issues. It was money well spent in terms of maintaining the surivival of the people but did little to ensure the situation was repeated in the next generation.
So... as per usual, you're starting with an inflammatory and ill-constructed point, and are back-engineering it into a very sensible point on the fly, to placate your opposition. It'd be great if you could start with the reasonable points & build on them instead.
nailed. I know I had a point somewhere back there...in fact you know what my point is. Nice to see you here, keeping me honest.
Mainly thinking about that example I mentioned earlier about the friend who came off this benefit, has a child of her own, and the parents take as little responsibility for the grandchild as they did for the her because the state made it so easy to avoid responsibility, ie paying for the child to leave the alcoholic household, but not seeing to any kind of alcoholic counseling for the parent, avoiding potentially offering a window of opportunity for her to return home.
mark taslov, I take that comment *extremely* personally on behalf of me, my own, and all my friends, and a *very* large number of people I am acquainted with- our families are paramount (but not your nasty little god)
Please don't Islander. It wasn't meant personally.
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where someone can be obliged to take on care of a person just because they‘re related
Feeling the love.
He was refuting a point you made earlier, and what he said is directly related to the issue of the need for the benefit.
His point being he think's I'm saying abolish the welfare state because I think we should take a closer look at how and in what manner benefits are administered to under 18s.
Considering Matthew's first response was directly following;
this exchange.
Makes you wonder what's going to happen when they scrap it, eh?
Guess your mate would have to go live with a relie.
I mean IF Bill English scraps this, what do you think will happen Steve (advocate of Matthew?)
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ah the wrath... it's up above Islander. I'm not patronizing you or anyone, I just think you're good at finding excuses not to put family first.
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Essentially Steve, BEnglish wants to scrap it, Others were saying it's fine- we shouldn't scrap it 'what would we do without it' etc, and I'm personally saying its flawed and needs some work.