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back to Robbery, his old mates the BPI stand up in his defence:
sam, I think you're trying to make a conversation here and I'm amuse, I really am, but my original reason for chipping in on this issue was to draw attention to the fact that people ill skilled to make comment were speaking as if their opinion was fact, and as you know, if you speak loud enough people will begin to take you as the voice of authority.
I find it completely disturbing that people like Dubber (who is a nice bloke with a need for attention) and RB (same) get paid ( I assume they paid you) by NZ on Air (a funding body theoretically set up to support local culture and art) to write a40 page paper on public broadcasting in the digital age and how it relates to said culture and artists.
Now that would be fine if either of them were infact skilled experts in the field of art creation, say video makers, music promoters, do it yourself artists with wide experience on the realities of bringing ones cultural expression to the masses, but these people are not.
ones a jazz buff living and working in birmingham lecturing in radio, and the others a self taught journo who cut his teeth writing articles that routinely pissed off music people and recently drawing attention to himself for his scattershot 'expert on everything' antics, leading a key figure in local journalism to be very critical and rude (shock horror).That's all that concerns me. the rest is interesting debate,
I'm not on any one side, but I'm most certainly not falling for the popularists view cos there is so much more to this than yay music is free, don't worry be happy, and I think recent events have proved me right on this, not that it will go one way or another but that it ain't over just yet.oh and I wanted to make the longest running thread in the PA blog which you're helping with cos I lost interest.
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they know it will actually lead to more sales. its not the final point, but its getting better.
They don't know that. how many of your friends have stopped buy music altogether.
I'll tell you my friends have and they're not all evil drug snorting shoplifters. They're just normal people who are lead to believe by media "experts"?? that everything is fine.the only people who still buy music are the old fashioned types who like to own a pretty object, and the philanthropic types who like to support the arts. everyone else sees no reason not to steal until they're forced not to.
he did, and a lot more than brag, no disrespect to billy.
you couldn't highlight those for me could you? I missed them.
and anyone that claims to have any kind of solution at the moment is not to be trusted anyway.
so contrary to dubbers vibe there isn't an upside yet.
good, glad we've got that cleared up :)they turnover about 4 billion pounds a year.
its more the concept of a company built on the concept of a phone dedicated to a car, that plus extras christmas special taking the piss out of them. I'm sure they're very powerful, but if the govt tells you to comply by law, well you don't have much choice do you.
Data is information,
and a commodity too.
I still see a policed internet as a possibility, but a far fetched one. And if it happens a secondary one will just spring up alongside it. That I am sure of.
how do you see a second internet manifesting itself?
how will it be delivered. you thinking satellite?
it won't be land based cos it will have to come through a cable and that's the weak point for independence off a network.
that's the bottleneck at the moment. it all comes through the trans tasman cable so you can easily cut them off at the pass at the moment, if one wanted to. -
and a different perspective to mr Bragg, with actual insight into HOW some goals may actually be achieved in this new environment
dubber didn't offer insight into anything but the one side of his argument. he has no answers to income stream, just that artists shouldn't worry,
I think that attitude has been employed many a time through out history, usually to defeated parties.a man who offers a solution that artists should stop making music if they're so worried about having people illegally copy it really isn't offering constructive help is he?
And car phone warehouse. I can't even take that name seriously but arguing that you have no responsibility for how your mode of transport is used is a little naive.
Last I checked you weren't allowed to traffic drugs through the post, or across borders and there were people at those routes to enforce that.a policed internet is not something we want to happen but its a foreseeable outcome to the increase in its use for crime.
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sorry,? why are we paying attention to what dubber says again?
here's a man with nice ways of saying bend over and take it without offering any solutions to the problems of income stream other than saying "that time and energy can be better spent elsewhere" . I had hoped that at the end of his length argument for "don't worry be happy" that he was going to kick in with a top ten easy ways of not starving for your art but noin other words he said, I haven't got a clue. Thats genius right there.
Now, of course, this raises more questions than it answers — and of course, things are far more complicated than I’ve laid out here — but as a general principle, it’s worth considering that rather than fret about unauthorised copying and expend time and energy in the fruitless task of preventing people from engaging in it, that time and energy can be better spent elsewhere.
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is that you get to challenge the journalists quality of research.
Well go on then... challenge away.
oh I do, but the best response I get is
Rob, get over it.
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Rob, get over it.
eloquent comeback, but then I'm not the one getting called out by a quite sizable media expert :)
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Ralston's little tanty was cute, in a twitchy-eyed sort of way. It was all about how RB is an 'ignorant blogger ... who believes strange things'.
I think his point was amateur posing as expert on everything.
its fine to have an opinion on everything but it gets dangerous when you put yourself up as an authority on stuff you are merely an amatuer enthusiast at. maybe believing your own hype.moody bugger that ralston is he does have a solid background in journalism and deserves due credit for it, and respect for his comments on the nature of said field.
is it a bad thing that the population starts to take blogs as the voice of authority? maybe they should have a users warning,
"some of this content maybe complete shit and most of it is opinion".
Not that the established media have a perfect record for accuracy but its worth giving some of them credit for attempting it.
if anyone's watched the 5th season of the wire its an interesting look into the place of a modern newspaper in the changed world of the internet.
The main newspaper guy Gus Haynes is what I would hope much of print media aspires to be. a decent bloke that values getting the story right, and unfortunately is undermined by forces that want the dramatic angle even if its not entirely factual, or fictitious as is the case for the pulitzer hungry new guy. Thought provoking watching as always.
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bill rolston doesn't appear to be your biggest fan russell if his comments on radio this afternoon were anything to go by.
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Oh man, Robbery is not going to like this...
peter made a funny.
as a consumer, I love it, but I'd be more excited if dentists started giving away free fillings, Ive got a third from the back that's been annoying me lately. -
It looked and sounded huge,
extensive use of baking tracks - watch the drummer. (here's one I baked earlier)