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I’m not really coming from the same place that Rob or Dubmugga
although I admire dubmuggas drive my arguments have come from a more philosophical level so please do make a point of differentiating all critisims of the system as being the same. They're not.
Dubmugga me old scone, love that you love what you do, but I can't and don't agree with your logic and self serving approach.so lets have the more long winded "I'm not really coming from the same place as dubmugga, and I'm not prepared to say things as rudely as robbery is, something like that eh?
or would you like me to list you in with gray bartlett as an established member of the music community?
(not that there's anything wrong with Gray, hes just a passionate grumpy bugger) -
*the guy still loves his music though, he's just not in a position to rock the boat on it*
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completely acknowledged there have been some major exceptions to the rule in commercial radio.
darcy waldergrave in chch gave a massive boost to local awareness with his evening show. But then they shifted him to sports or some such thing. they guy still loves his music though, he's just not in a position not rock the boat on it.channel z was commercial radio and did wonders too.
Its all about the people in place. these were switched on good people doing great work, but they were the exception, not the standard state of play at any given time. -
boring indy styled lo fi guitar bands.
you weaken your argument with comments like this.
they're just as hard done by through the current set up as electronica and hip hop.I'm still trying to focus my concerns about this issue and I've enjoyed the discussions of various ideas on it,
I think the keyest of key points is that there is a charter and it does say something specific, and its intent is something specific.
Someone who shall remain nameless but who's initials are BS has steered the ship in a direction not in keeping with that intent. I think that's pretty plainly seen, and as soft as simon and russells gloves re they've both raised issue with the method of funding.
it remains to be seen if BS is listening to anyone at all.
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Its like huffing and puffing at a paper plane when you could just grab the thing and throw it already.
I like that analogy. I think it applies to NZ's attitude to radio, all kid gloves etc. put in a youth radio network or a legally enforced quota and see what effect that has.
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you completely failed to link your statements about this to Brendon's information about National Radio NZ and bnet etc. That's how they reflect all the colours of NZ's coat.
no i didn't. The lions share of funding goes to commercial radio interests, funing that which fits their format. that's what I'm discussing here and I did give props for bnet and especially national radio who are a tireless non discriminators giving a fair shake to most genres.
And kiwi is a bloody good station too.'Bliss' is as much a part of our music history as any other song that Dave Dobbyn performs,
true and if you were around at the time it came out you'd be hard pushed to hear it on the airwaves. what's your point?
I think the dudes are part of the kiwi sound.
are you saying you can't tell what makes us sound like us?
there are plenty of people overseas who recognise kiwi in their music. not everything fits into those stylistic things but you really should have a knowledge of and understanding of new zealandnesss if you're going to try an administer a fund who's stated aim is to address issues relating to broadcast of culture and identity.I'm not saying ever song funded should sound like dunedin jangle or chch dub, or ak punk, or wellington ....dub too, but you shouldn't have a system in place that filters them out because they aren't like everyone else on the radio, and you should have an acute awareness of what people have identified as us in the past and where those things t hat make us US are going in the future. sure you can't be right all the time but the impression is they're not even trying to address those issues.
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without relying on hand outs.
They're not hand outs. they're an acknowledgment of the difficulty to produce art to a high standard in a country without the population base to support it and to be honest we kiwi's can be a tight bunch with our cash so we're not going to pay at the gate the price that it really costs to do these things, so we pay for it through taxes.
The reason funding is such an issue is that that money was given to NZers to deal with a specific issue. that our music was being kept off the airwaves, allegedly because of poor production standards. that money was to help us make better recordings and videos of our sounds.
The issue is that a commercial radio filter has been put on the lions share of that funding and funding focus.That is in direct contradiction to the mission statement and intent of the original charter.
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For goodness sake, I'm not "attacking" you. You just said you didn't believe something Brendan said, which, as far as I can recall, is a matter of record.
attack in the best possible taste then.
it was the underlying attitude that I was commenting on as noted with the 'sigh'
what's with this "sigh" thing anyway? were you an only child?not that I take offense at any discussion on the internet, and neither should you.
perhaps a better way of making your point would have been to go and get your indie hit discs and list some of the names and who they were.
Brendan Stated that the hit discs were tracklisted by radio programmers pre 99. I wanted to make a distinction between commercial radio and b net/national radio. These people are not all the same.
When they killed indie hit disc in order to consume that budget towards the already gapping pit of appeasing commercial radio someone got cut out of the picture it would seem. -
And who did the APRA members pick? Brooke.
Will people look back in years to come and think of 'Albertine' as the sound of '07? Nope.
that was a really bizarre result. But apra silverscrolls are supposed to be voted results.
but then george bush was voted in, twice, allegedlyare you starting an apra dissing thread now?
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* most musicians and industry types take drugs,
I hope you're not referring to me.
interestingly contrary to popular belief a lot of the more productive ones aren't that fussed on drugs. That doesn't stop guest listers and hangers on consuming heaps around them