Posts by Kyle Matthews
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But imagine if it was cheaper meaning you could eat it 3-4 nights a week. That would be a lot healthier for our society than the crap we eat now.
Throw a fishing line into the sea. It's real cheap.
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Hillary Clinton, who got where she is not on her own merit, but as the wife of Bill
I'm not a fan of Clinton, but I think she had just a little bit to do with both getting herself to where she is, and getting her husband to where he got to as well.
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According to StatsNZ's Food Price Index, the average price of 2 litres of milk in April 2008 was $3.22.
Man I want to shop where StatsNZ shop. My 2 litres of milk cost me a heap more than that - up over $4.
The only future I can see in what the Greens have been talking about here, is some sort of post-peak oil future. That is, assuming it becomes less and less viable to take advantage of local production efficiencies around the world because there's so much less ability to transport it, we might have to look at a future where more food gets produced locally, and some of what we export gets redirected into producing what we currently import.
However, it'd be suited for a long-term think paper, rather than current policy. There's more pressing issues that the Greens can get traction on.
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If you want to talk about little ironies, I don't think Fonterra goes to an excessive amount of effort to make sure their products don't end up in the hands of the obese or folks with congestive heart disease for whom ingesting processed animal fat is a bad idea. Nor do I think our wine industry really gives a shit if their premium product is getting poured down the neck of violent alcoholics.
They really don't make for a valid comparison Craig.
Cigarettes are an addictive substance, the addictive levels of which have been manipulated by the producers for decades, with no redeeming features, which have led to the deaths of millions of people around the world through various cancers and other illnesses. They've also been implicated in the various illnesses and deaths of passive smoking.
The various milk products sold by Fonterra come in a variety of flavours, but they're not addictive, they're not manipulated by their producers to be increasingly harmful to consumers, and indeed, doctors would say that a fair amount of what Fonterra produces, in moderate amounts, is good for you. There's no passive comsumption at all for milk products.
My point was, and still is:
If there was no cigarettes in the world today, and then a company came along and said "hey, we want to start selling this tobacco plant for people to smoke", and it was tested by scientists and found to be very addictive and very bad for your health, and somewhat bad for other people's health, it would probably be made illegal to sell and possess.
Which isn't a story you could start telling about cows milk.
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Thanks James -- it's always handy to get an update on what the right-wing talking points are.
I've always previously got them from www.rightwingtalkingpoints.com, but having James around is like our own private RSS feed.
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Yes, Kyle. And please don't get feline with me, because that's a game you're going to lose.
Did you want to make the connection between smoking and milk, or just leave it out there?
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California might end up in the Democratic column at the general no matter who the candidate is, but there's actually other considerations in play here.
Well I got the impression that it was her presidential vote that was switching, she didn't talk about anything else. But if that's the case, yup.
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Open lists enable people to cast their party vote next to a particular list candidate to push them up that party's list. I believe Peter Dunne favours this (if we don't adopt his favoured STV), but not many other politicians. It could certainly diminish the list members have no mandate argument.
Interesting.
Would the list be given an initial ranking, and the voting affect that, or would it be unranked, and then sorted by the number of votes that a person got?
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I just don't think we really give shit how many end-users of all those lovely pounds of butter and cheese we'll export to anyone who will pay for the privilege end up in double wide graves.
Umm OK. Does this have anything to do with smoking, or are you track jumping again?
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Um, OK, Kyle. I guess the reality-based wing of Democratic Party realise there are one or two races that have to be won down-ticket and won't be a cake walk. I was quite serious up-thread, if I was a Republican campaign operative I'd be taking every opportunity to ask, "These people you want answering the phone at 3am?"
I'm not sure what your point is Craig. I said she was an idiot, is the fact that we're having a rare agreement moment befuddling you?