No it doesnt they pay lipservice to it all the time.

Paying lipservice doesn't diminish the hypocrisy of their secular laws.

For now, I've got no solutions. But I'm sure there should be some.

I think that the reason that people don't see the solution is because they are looking for conventional solutions which can be implemented via legislation, rather than looking at the underlying issue of equity/fairness in the relationship between society and the state.

This problem is most visibily expressed as Cunliffe's problem with trusts and his proposed CGT.

So when you go to a political meeting, and look around, the question isn't who they appear to be supporting, but who isn't there.

So are you saying that the problem relates to the reason why people don't get involved in political activism in general, or is it a problem of not having an appropriate venue to discuss the issues?

@sandra

OK, there is reason for you to be furious, but unless you direct that energy wisely it's just going to be wasted. Fixing things involves both understanding the cause of the problem and having a reasonable remedy in mind.

Morals and ethics are not old-fashioned terms, plenty of young people care about them too.

Morals and ethics are part of the law of the land, but the secular state has a problem with their religious origins.

http://www.actsinjunction.info/corruption.html

Weirdly, most of the correspondence seems to be Facebook chats, which I can't quite see how would possibly be hacked using a DDOS attack on the WhaleOil site.

A DDOS attack can be used as a distraction while the real hack takes place, presumably to get the passwords for the Facebook and gmail accounts like SamC suggested.

New Zealand needs moral leadership right now. That’s not some religion-driven statement about telling others what to do lest it offend someone’s god, rather that we need leaders who uphold the law, are seen to do themselves what they tell others to do and do not abuse third parties for their own ends.

Morality is an essential part of English democracy, and as far as I can tell it's still alive in NZ society. Upholding the law involves knowing what the law actually is:

http://wiki.actsinjunction.info/CommonLaw

Does anyone here take LF seriously? Just asking.

My first encounter with LF resulted in a mild head-butting session over calling copied emails "stolen", but we reached agreement about acting in the public interest. I don't always agree with the opinion posted there, but but I find the background on current events worth a read. YMMV

The latest on the Blomfield-Slater saga:

http://laudafinem.com/2014/09/04/whale-oil-blogger-cameron-slaters-bad-dream-climbs-into-bed-with-arch-nemesis-matthew-blomfield/