Voting Local 2010

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  • Craig Ranapia,

    Disclosure with humour even - bravo

    Indeed - and I don't think it would be improper to disclose that I got a very nice reply to my personal apology from McCarten. Still kind of embarrassed if I prompted this, because my initial bitch was simply wrong on a fundamental matter of fact. But what the hell, a little bit of well-deserved shame never did anyone any lasting harm. To paraphrase Mr. Bennett, I'll get over it sooner than I deserve. :)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    "Further supercity job cuts" after the current ones depend on how short sighted voters - and the representatives they elect now - are.

    About 300 managers would be involved in the transition process, but by July 2012 they would no longer be needed, meaning the total staffing number would be reduced to 7907.

    Mr Hide said the transition team considered that cuts could go further, but that would depend on whether the people of Auckland wanted to keep their rates down.

    There is a reason for Auckland's dodgy footpaths and leaky sewers - decades of voters and politicians deciding their short term interests are more important than the city they leave their children and grandchildren.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock,

    Anyone voting in the Waitaks?

    Bill Daly's rather anodyne campaign literature inexplicably leaves out rather a lot of his more...'colourful'...past exploits, as reading the maps points out.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    Nice, Rich...

    And it goes on - DPF this time giving a very guarded thumbs up to Annalucia Vermunt and Penny Bright, all at the expense of Len Brown. How very odd.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1611 posts Report Reply

  • Julie Fairey,

    V interesting thread this, thanks everyone.

    I'm a candidate for my local board on the centre-left affiliated ticket, and just wanted to point out it's actually quite tricky to get your profile and pic up on the elections2010 site. I haven't managed it yet. It's also privately run, and sponsored by Local Govt NZ, so bit of a strange beast really.

    Puketapapa Mt Roskill, AK… • Since Dec 2007 • 234 posts Report Reply

  • uroskin,

    To paraphrase Mr. Bennett, I'll get over it sooner than I deserve.

    You sure that wasn't Ms Bennett?

    Waiheke Island • Since Feb 2007 • 178 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    You sure that wasn't Ms Bennett?

    I will beat you to death with my spare copy of Pride and Prejudice, just you see if I don't. Thou shalt not take the name of Jane in vain.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking,

    Jaw dropping, but par for the course.
    I also strongly suggest a wee look at the self selected popularity polls putting Side-show ahead of Anderton.

    Dear Canterbury Public Issues Forum,

    A constituent has written to me:

    "Bob Parker kicked off a high-ranking police officer - Inspector Craig
    McKay - who is in charge of Operations (including emergency planning),
    off a helicopter flyover of the Christchurch Quake Zones on Sunday 05
    September 2020 so his wife could go on the trip.

    The flight had room for 3 people. These were to be Superintendent Dave
    Cliff (District Commander of Canterbury), Mr Bob Parker (Mayor) and
    Inspector Craig McKay (Operations Services Manager, Canterbury
    District), but Mr Parker’s wife took the place of Mr McKay at Mr
    Parker's insistence."


    - In the interests of public safety, retire the current Mayor of
    Christchurch, now!

    Rik Tindall
    Canterbury regional councillor in exile, displaced representative for
    regional civil defence
    Christchurch mayoral candidate

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Not somebody else who thinks a "helicopter view" means a ride in an actual helicopter?

    What's with these NACT politicians, you'd have thought with all that money, they could afford their own helicopters?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    Albert-Eden-Roskill voters: candidates Cathy Casey and Glenda Fryer will be out and about in Morningside/Western Springs tonight (starting 5:30 at the corner of Don Croot Street and Western Springs Road).

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1611 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    This week's Media7 moves on from our recent show about the Auckland Super City election campaign to look at local body races around the country.

    Arrgghh. Just saw this.

    STV, which the Wellington City Council uses, means that people don't have to coalesce around an alternative to Kerry to boot her out. If people who don't want Kerry vote her last, there's a good chance she'll lose.

    At last last election, by the time Kerry won, on the "ninth iteration", the votes of 8436 people had stopped counting because they hadn't numbered all the way to the bottom. If instead of stopping, they'd gone the whole way through all the candidates, and voted Kerry last, Kerry probably wouldn't be mayor.

    In an STV election, if there is someone you really really don't want to win, rank them last, and rank everyone else above them. It can do absolutely no harm whatsoever to the people you want to win.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3215 posts Report Reply

  • Joanna,

    In an STV election, if there is someone you really really don't want to win, rank them last, and rank everyone else above them. It can do absolutely no harm whatsoever to the people you want to win.

    Really? Because I have heard so many different ideas about this, like whether it is better or worse to number someone or not to number them. I trust you to know the law, so is that the definitive answer? If you hate someone, make sure to number all your candidates and number them last?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 746 posts Report Reply

  • Christopher Nimmo,

    I left two candidates unranked. If the election comes down to Bernard O'Shaughnessy vs. Kerry P, well, my bad.

    Wellington • Since May 2009 • 97 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    My family - at the hard end of Avonside Drive - think Bob-ringinTHINGfromAkaroa whom we hate- STILL DONT HAVE PROPER SEWERAGE-

    VOTE AGAINST THIS SHIT HEAD!

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    like whether it is better or worse to number someone or not to number them. I trust you to know the law, so is that the definitive answer? If you hate someone, make sure to number all your candidates and number them last?

    Yes. Absolutely definitive. I've had the debate with a lot of people (okay, like four). Some - who should know - seemed convinced otherwise. Despite knowing better, I began to question it. I thought about it a lot; Re-convinced myself; and then I emailed the STV people at the Department of Internal Affairs just to be sure; the important bit of their response:

    Graeme there is no way that lower preferences can hinder the election of your higher ranked preferences.

    Number everyone. Having your numbers run out is the same as not voting: you're leaving the decision up to those who do. Rank the lesser of two evils higher than the greater of two evils. This is particularly important for any STV election where you're only electing one candidate (such as the mayoral election), but it applies in multi-member elections too. Each preference is only ever used if all the higher preferences have either:

    1. been eliminated and cannot possibly win; or
    2. (in multi-member electorates) been elected.

    No matter who you rank second, this cannot hurt the chances of the person you rank first in any way. No matter who you rank 21st, it cannot hinder the prospects of the person you rank 20th. And if you want to give the best possible chance of a particular person not being elected, rank them last.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3215 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Thanks Graeme! Info passed on-

    death to silt volcanos!

    Ur, something....

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Grant McDougall,

    Suzanne Prentice didn't do herself any favours by constantly interrupting Tim Shadbolt during their debate on Morning Report this morning.

    I hope Tim bolts in. :)

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2006 • 760 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    I thought the "not wanting Invercargill to be a joke town" bit amusing.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Really? Because I have heard so many different ideas about this, like whether it is better or worse to number someone or not to number them. I trust you to know the law, so is that the definitive answer? If you hate someone, make sure to number all your candidates and number them last?

    Graeme is correct.

    Once your votes have run out, the quota (number of votes that is required for someone to be elected) drops by 1/(number vacancies +1) for each vote that doesn't have any more numbers. While you won't ever vote for them, your lack of numbering will lead to the quota dropping so it makes it easier for them to 'get over'.

    So the best way to 100% ensure that your vote cannot be used for a person it to number everyone else, and number them last.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • BlairMacca,

    So the best way to 100% ensure that your vote cannot be used for a person it to number everyone else, and number them last.

    Damn me for posting in my voting form before I knew that...

    Wellington • Since Apr 2007 • 208 posts Report Reply

  • Joanna,

    Awesome, and now we've learnt that, let's talk about how delightful I am.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 746 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell,

    Now we've learnt a little more about it, let's all resolve NOT to back STV against MMP. It's more complicated, especially if there are a lot of candidates... as well as being less democratic. :)

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2120 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Except that as mentioned upthread, leaving *one* candidate unranked is the same as ranking them last.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    For a curveball, what happens when a candidate withdraws, as in the Wellington DHB election?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    For a curveball, what happens when a candidate withdraws, as in the Wellington DHB election?

    Their 'keep value' is set to zero. So all the votes assigned to them pass down 100% to the next person in line. Effectively you just skip over them in any voting forms that have them as a number.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

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