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  • Che Tibby,

    Usually towards Tibby

    </patronising pat on coppery noggin>

    it's nice when this sort of native try to speak real good.

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2042 posts Report Reply

  • LegBreak,

    Serious Question:

    Were gingas considered part of Hitler’s master Aryan race?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1162 posts Report Reply

  • Hadyn Green,

    Serious Question:

    Were gingas considered part of Hitler’s master Aryan race?

    How did this conversation go from Jews to Hitler?


    (yes, I am pushing my luck)

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2090 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    </che quietly reflects on the wisdom of the phrase, quit while you're ahead>

    but answers question via google

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2042 posts Report Reply

  • Hadyn Green,

    Stormfront.org doesn't sound very SFW. Was it a yes or a no?

    There was a doco recently about the Nazis trying to recruit the Irish against the British (and how that idea failed)

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2090 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    but answers question via google

    Holy crap, Che, some warning? Thank the cybergods for interclue.

    <quote> Usually towards Tibby

    </patronising pat on coppery noggin>

    it's nice when this sort of native try to speak real good.</quote?>

    Haydn, you don't fancy brining Che with you to Auckland do you? Cause I'd love to experience this show with visuals.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • andrew llewellyn,

    It's not unsafe for work (not the page Che links to anyway). ANd Hitler thought the celts were "germanic" and so approved. Apparently.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2075 posts Report Reply

  • Neil Graham,

    the only reasonably funny joke i've heard recently is:
    ...

    So not the Palin mouth/vagina one then?

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 118 posts Report Reply

  • andrew llewellyn,

    Of course, had he spent New Year's Eve in Glasgow he may have thought differently.

    OK, who else can we bag - Albanians?

    Since Nov 2006 • 2075 posts Report Reply

  • andrew llewellyn,

    the only reasonably funny joke i've heard recently is:
    ...

    So not the Palin mouth/vagina one then?

    Saw one today - Palin: The only beauty queen who doesn't want world peace.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2075 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock,

    And yet the general consensus seems to be that it's 'okay'

    Probably because it would be drawing a really, really long bow to suggest that gingers are currently disadvantaged or discriminated against in any serious way. Whereas there is still ample evidence of anti-semitism, racism, etc.

    It's all about the power dynamic. Chris Rock and Sacha Baron Cohen can make jokes that I simply can't.

    So, for what it's worth, I think Hadyn's reply to Q2 should have been:

    "The gingers. They must be exterminated from the face of the Earth".

    Shock value, the appropriate dollop of ridiculousness (no-one seriously thinks gingers are a 'race', which neatly flags up the lunacy of the concepts of racism/anti-semitism), and a thick layer of insulatve protection from critism, from his own natural colouring.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Hadyn Green,

    So, for what it's worth, I think Hadyn's reply to Q2 should have been:

    "The gingers. They must be exterminated from the face of the Earth".

    Or more correctly:
    "Everyone but the gingers. That way all the women are hot and the guys can finally pick up."

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2090 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    Holy crap, Che, some warning?

    whoops. i just googled, whacked that shi+ out then disappeared to a couple of hours of meetings.

    apologies to all involved.

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2042 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Hosking,

    OK, who else can we bag - Albanians?

    DRAT

    Beat me to it...

    South Roseneath • Since Nov 2006 • 830 posts Report Reply

  • andrew llewellyn,

    DRAT

    Oh well, I was beaten to a Twin Peaks reference today at the Dimpost.

    Oddly enough, Aunt Julia doesn't hold up on a 2nd viewing (IMO), first time I found it hilarious "You're driving like a one-armed Albanian with crabs!"

    Since Nov 2006 • 2075 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock,

    Stormfront.org doesn't sound very SFW

    Rule of thumb: Any website with 'storm', 'honor/honour', 'blood', 'shield' or similar in the title should be avoided in the same way that any political party with 'family' in the title should be avoided.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    And yet "retards" is perfectly acceptable usage, even here.

    I hope folks didn't think all the fuss over Tropic Thunder or that Black Eyed Peas song was over nothing.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19743 posts Report Reply

  • Deborah,

    And yet "retards" is perfectly acceptable usage, even here.

    No - I wince at that. But there's only so much energy I have for calling things like that out. I participate enthusiastically in the PAS Women's XV, and I try to call racism and homophobia when I see it, but I don't always (see it, that is), and other stuff as I find the time and energy.

    I chimed in on this thread because sitting in silence when you agree with a possibly difficult point that someone has made is not good enough when it comes to the difficult work of getting people to change the words they use (I'm not going to say 'change their attitudes' because actually, around here, people are reasonably sensitive and thoughtful. But you let one thing slip, and then another gets through, and then maybe some more, and bloody hell, we would end up looking like the comments section at Kiwiblog. That's not a place that I want to end up. But the price of the free exchange of ideas here, without fear of racism and sexism and homophobia, and sheer nastiness about people with mental and physical disabilities, is a on-going assessment and judgement of our own behaviour.

    New Lynn • Since Nov 2006 • 1447 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Thanks, Deborah. Noticing "retard" a lot more in common usage, much like "gay" crept back in some years back among youngsters.

    Agree about energy and acknowledge the overwhelmingly civil space here. Found it somewhat ironic that Stephen blithely used the term while complaining about Jews being maligned. Not going to lose sleep over it.

    As you were.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19743 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Oh and I must acknowledge that Stephen was quoting Hayden, who was no doubt distracted by the sting of carroted prejudice.

    Got to say I don't think gingas have much to worry about in real terms - doubt their employment, income, life expectancy, etc is blighted by stigma (although I didn't realise the Irish connection - ta).

    And Che's "i still say we lynch the fast-talkin' ginga" just rolled so smoothly it can't be all wrong..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19743 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Andrew,

    Well my ginger comes from my (cuckulding) Scottish ancestry, first one to comment gets a big kiss - a Glasgow kiss. ;-)

    Hamiltron - City of the F… • Since Nov 2006 • 900 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Andrew,

    My son's name is Corbin, which is old english for Raven, the first question my grandmother asked was "does he have black hair then?".
    Nope. Ginger.

    If I had a buck for every old lady who said "oooh, what lovely hair, who does he get that from?"...

    Hamiltron - City of the F… • Since Nov 2006 • 900 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    My daughters name is Goldie, its an old english name that means " The child with the golden locks."

    Would it be unfair stereotyping to assume that she's fond of porridge?

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Hosking,

    17 of 41 American Presidents had Scottish Ulster ancestry. New Zealand also has ulster culture, in it's Governmental history.

    I think Massey and Muldoon are the only PMs with major Ulster ancestry. (Massey was born there: Muldoon's grandparents were from there)

    We have a lot of Celts in general. As well as a high level of Scottish and irish migration (esp. the former although not I think as great a proportion as Canada) NZ also had a particularly high proportion of West Country migrants - Cornwall and Devon. I learned this when helping to put together a family history a couple of years ago (Hosking is a west country name).

    When I had hair, it used to go reddy-auburn in summer. Does that make me a partial ginga?

    South Roseneath • Since Nov 2006 • 830 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    When I had hair, it used to go reddy-auburn in summer. Does that make me a partial ginga?

    jesus... you're all going to have to slow down a little people... i'm having trouble getting all these names down in, you know, "the book".

    you'll be getting a visit when the anti-ginga revolution finally comes.

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2042 posts Report Reply

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