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Up Front: A Kink in the Pants

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  • B Jones,

    This would be what's behind that warning.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 976 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    This would be what's behind that warning.

    Cripes.

    But I did like this bit:

    I will delete any comments which seek to blame the victim.

    New policy, then ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22849 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    This would be what's behind that warning.

    Interclue told me I didn't want to click on that, but I still did.

    I am hoping the defence is going to be that he had some kind of psychotic episode, blacked out, whatever, rather than that Sophie Elliot in some way had it coming.

    At the same time, the insinuation there that he's guilty and should hang because Sophie was pretty is also fairly discomforting.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Interclue told me I didn't want to click on that ...

    Product placement!

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22849 posts Report Reply

  • ScottY,

    Good God, so much for the sub judice doctrine...

    What's Stephen Franks' excuse? He's a lawyer after all.

    West • Since Feb 2009 • 794 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    Interclue told me I didn't want to click on that ...

    Product placement!

    I have a deep sense of ethics! In a box, just over here.

    Regardless of who developed it (disclaimer: my partner), the thing I use it for most often is determining whether things people link to at System are going to piss me off for the rest of the day.

    What's Stephen Franks' excuse?

    Not the first time anyone's said that.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    so much for the sub judice doctrine...

    What's Stephen Franks' excuse? He's a lawyer after all.

    That he realises the rule doesn't prevent his discussing that? =)

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3215 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    I have a deep sense of ethics! In a box, just over here.

    I keep mine in a compartment.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22849 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    I keep mine in a compartment.

    Mine take up the whole living room leaving just shy of a square metre in which to disco.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Regardless of who developed it (disclaimer: my partner),

    Tell your partner this is my new favourite thing ever on the Internet.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Mrs Skin,

    Mine take up the whole living room leaving just shy of a square metre in which to disco.

    You know how you throw everything out after an exam? Yeah...

    the warmest room in the h… • Since Feb 2009 • 168 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    What's more, the mini-icon on Interclue turns the kiwi of Kiwiblog into a little pile of crap. This clearly is a very clever piece of software.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Parks,

    Interclue told me I didn't want to click on that ...

    Product placement!

    It worked, too. I had to google to see what you were referring to. Before I read this thread, I was Interclueless.

    Wellington • Since May 2007 • 1165 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    Tell your partner this is my new favourite thing ever on the Internet.

    Well okay, but as long as there's porn and pictures of grammatically-adorable cats, I'm not sure he's going to believe you.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    I keep mine in a compartment.

    I keep mine...
    wait for it...
    in a container.
    tsk boom!!

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Well okay, but as long as there's porn and pictures of grammatically-adorable cats, I'm not sure he's going to believe you.

    Yeah, there's another thing: it's going to help me avoid lolcatz! And that in turn is going to free up valuable time for porn.

    Your man is a genius.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Well okay, but as long as there's porn and pictures of grammatically-adorable cats, I'm not sure he's going to believe you.

    There is also cat porn. I checked.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22849 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    There is also cat porn. I checked.

    One thing I really appreciate about the internet is its thoroughness.

    Also, I would like my brain to STOP writing lolcat captions for porn now.

    PS According to google, LOLporn isn't what I expected it to be.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • ScottY,

    That he realises the rule doesn't prevent his discussing that? =)

    Well maybe, and I'm not a media lawyer, so am hardly an expert on sub judice.

    Still, surely Franks was arguably commenting on the facts of the case by stating that Weatherston was clearly the killer (remember, before Weatherston admitted the act in court) and that he was likely to manufacture an insanity defence to get off. All while the matter was before the court.

    Can't we pin something on Franks? Please?

    West • Since Feb 2009 • 794 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    surely Franks was arguably commenting on the facts of the case by stating that Weatherston was clearly the killer (remember, before Weatherston admitted the act in court) and that he was likely to manufacture an insanity defence to get off. All while the matter was before the court.

    Not just "arguably" - he was clearly commenting on the facts of the case while it was before the court. Is there anything that makes you think that that would be illegal? The courts and police aren't immune from public scrutiny.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3215 posts Report Reply

  • ScottY,

    Is there anything that makes you think that that would be illegal? The courts and police aren't immune from public scrutiny.

    I agree, but nor can the public say anything they want about a live case.

    In theory any expression of opinion on someone's guilt or innocence might be at risk of breaching the sub judice rule. It becomes a question of degree, depending on what is said and how prejudicial the comment or statement might be.

    But almost nobody reads Franks' blog anyway, so it's probably a moot point.

    And, to cover my own backside, I wasn't seriously suggesting he was breaching the rule, because I really don't know enough to make a call. But you expect members of the legal profession to steer well away from commenting on live cases. That's what surprised me about Franks' blog.

    West • Since Feb 2009 • 794 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Parks,

    Could one of you two lawyers tell us what the sub judice rule is, please?

    Franks was wrong, in any case: the accused didn't go for insanity, he went for a guilty plea on manslaughter only.

    Wellington • Since May 2007 • 1165 posts Report Reply

  • Mrs Skin,

    It means that, as a rule, one shouldn't make public comments on cases currently before the court so as not to interfere with due process.

    There's a summary of Parliament's position as at February this year here. The Privileges Committee reported back on it recently but I don't know how to find the report - or even if it's publicly available.

    the warmest room in the h… • Since Feb 2009 • 168 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    At its most basic:

    a publication may be in contempt of court by breaching the sub judice rule if it creates a real risk - not just a remote possibility - of prejudice to the fairness of a trial

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3215 posts Report Reply

  • JackElder,

    PS According to google, LOLporn isn't what I expected it to be.

    The lolporn I've seen is precisely what you'd expect it to be. "2257 documentz - we haz them" sort of thing. Maybe you're looking at the wrong lolporn?

    Wellington • Since Mar 2008 • 709 posts Report Reply

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