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Speaker: Are we seeing the end of MSM, and is that a good thing?

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  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to simon g,

    Kiwis divided

    Heather du Plessis Allan and Deborah Hill Cone, that renowned tag team of the 'look at me, look at me' squad, hardly constitute a serious critique of anything.
    Both have made interesting choices in their partners as well, but I'm sure they wouldn't want that looked at too closely - or publicly or commented on either...
    Bereft of actual relevant and real social commentary opportunities they have resorted to barrel-bottom scraping for cheap attention seeking. SAD!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    The Press changes to the new paper-saving format on Monday April 30.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    The Herald it seems likes to employ ‘writers’ who don’t know standard English – I note Ms Hill Cone quotes verbatim from Kim Knight’s ’Canvas’ piece on Clarke Gayford, without bothering to correct the obvious mistake (nor did any ‘subs’ in the chain):

    "…He grew up tying his own lures, making his own sinkers, pouring over books and committing the Maori and Latin names for fish to memory…"

    I strongly doubt he was ‘wetting’ (sic) his appetite for knowledge, but was merely ‘poring’ over his books…

    For some reason Ms Hill Cone (whose first name is Deborah – ‘Bee woman’ in Hebrew) also takes umbrage at Mr Gayford’s terminal vowel use in his christian name – ‘Clarke’ (means ‘man of learning') – a name that has been in use since the mid 1700s or thereabouts – and had a popularity burst in the 1950s and ’60s – it was a less popular choice in 1977 but still in common use…
    What an odd thing to rail against!?
    Clutching at ’strawman’ arguments perhaps?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    A nice piece by Philip Matthews looking back on past Press editorial stances:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/102782748/broadsheets-and-blunders-in-defence-of-getting-it-wrong

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Latest from the crazy world of Stuff comments:

    A story on the PM giving birth was opened up for comments, and the bitter and twisted duly turned up. Controversial socialist statements like "Wishing mother and baby all the best" would get downvoted by the voices of Common Sense. The birth was a distraction, sheeple!

    Stuff then started deleting the abusive comments faster than the trolls could type. If only they could have predicted this by ... I don't know, reading Stuff comments occasionally?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to simon g,

    Stuff then started deleting the abusive comments faster than the trolls could type.

    "Stuff then started emptying the bucket faster than the hard-working kiwis could vomit into it"?

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    One of the craziest media takes (not least on dear old Stuff comments) re- the PM's baby is that we've endured "saturation coverage", "being rammed down our throats", etc. Here's a reality check:

    Precisely zero minutes have been added to the 6 pm news bulletins, or any other prime time programming on the main TV channels. The story has led the bulletins, but has still taken up less time than sport in those same bulletins. Regular programming has been almost untouched. No marathon "specials" have been broadcast. It's a news story (obviously), and that is all.

    Also reality :

    About a month ago those same channels devoted more than six HOURS of Saturday prime time to a wedding. The groom is the 6th in line to be New Zealand's head of state.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to simon g,

    re- the PM's baby

    RNZ's Mediawatch (9m)

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

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    Weirdness from The Herald.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 499 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

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    The Herald is also good with names of well known politicians...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

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    Another innovation from The Herald
    Text under headlines and photos doesn't have to relate to the story indicated.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Not so fast. The first story could well continue: 'Yet his spitting on the waiter may not bring universal acclaim.'

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Stuff Comments Update:

    Good news ... they've drastically cut back on the troll harvest.

    Bad news ... the idiots have now migrated to the Herald/NZME and their new feature, "Let's Talk". Sample contribution (today):

    Jacinda Ardern should improve her dress sense and her diction. Pronounce our English words correctly, please. And stop waving your arms to all the school children.

    Yes, really.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • Trevor Nicholls, in reply to simon g,

    Yep Soimon would be such an improvement.

    In other news it seems that the RWTH have decided that there's no mileage arguing that Jacinda is useless any more, so the latest talking point is that she's too big for NZ. Yeah, good luck with that.

    Wellington, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 324 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to simon g,

    their new feature, “Let’s Talk”.

    'Let's Stalk' surely?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Today "Let's Talk" about Israel Folau.

    And yes, they are saying exactly what you know they are saying, with exactly the same words, you don't need to spend a moment guessing. Bingo card filled before you start.

    In a primary school classroom, a good teacher will encourage creativity and originality, but not plagiarism and parroting. The Herald sets its sights lower than you would for 10 year olds.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to simon g,

    , a good teacher will encourage creativity and originality,

    Im not sure what to make of Rosemary McLeod and Morgan Begg applying the school teacher metaphor. They talk big ideas tho the application of them misses the serious of the issues, and why criticism of these people is relevant.
    Faux outrage at their perception of outrage, or a weird sympathy for an underdog that until recently was anything but an underdog. I guess RML is like a chiding priggish schoolmarm putting on superior airs to show she see and knows all, and 'your all behaving just like they used to', said with a hint of a knowing smirking humour.
    And Morgan Begg, well he is from a conservative Aussie think tank and they know all about totalitarianism because an obviously backward ball player is being hauled over the coals for displaying his stupidity in public

    Is there a naughty corner we can send these people, or maybe just not publish their nonsense anymore. Let them fume in their corner.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    Russell Brown has written a good article for the Spinoff.

    This near the end

    We’ve got to engage in a conversation about what sort of society we want

    We had better start working on a way to do this where there is none of the stratification now at epidemic proportions in society, no one comes at it with an agenda, and there is one there in bad faith. And if there is that group or person is pulled up quickly.
    And we better start working on it soon, and while we are doing it, business better be put on hold and no suffering be inflicted.
    Not a huge ask!

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to ,

    Some remedy ideas before going down the regulation of the Internet roadway: Education, thoughtful well designed education for children to prepare them to understand the digital environment. And especially that the big social media platforms are not all the internet is. There is quite a bit of education policy work going on in Wellington over the next year or two. I hope this gets factored in. I hope the next generation become rebuilders of the Internet, not just consumers of its commercial products.

    I think also that anti-trust law needs revisiting to break up too-big-to-fail monopolies & cartels. Facebook is as much a monopoly as NewsCorp. And lest we forget that cartels like IG Farben played a big part in the militarisation of the Third Reich.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5441 posts Report Reply

  • Moz,

    One thing that would help is just to flatly block any company that doesn’t comply with NZ law. I think failbook, google et al would be quite a lot more cautious if they got a reply from the AG to their “{name} granted name suppression” email saying “hey bro’s, how’s it going? Just letting you know that for 48 hours every IP your company owns is being blackholed in New Zealand. Best get a Yahoo account if you want to reply :)”


    It would be really inconvenient for a lot of kiwis, but after the first few times I'm sure we'd adjust.

    Sydney, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 1233 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Currently lead story on Herald/NZME website: Katie Hopkins being typically obnoxious about the massacres in Sri Lanka, with swipes at Ardern and various others.

    Not included in story: any reference to the same Katie Hopkins being a commentator on Newstalk ZB, AKA the Herald/NZME.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    The NZ Listener (and its German owners) don’t seem to be giving the current Govt or PM Jacinda Ardern much love or coverage I note.
    The Nats got plenty of covers and interviews and profiles during their Reign of Error but not so much for the Coalition…
    I wonder why that is…

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to simon g,

    the same Katie Hopkins being a commentator on Newstalk ZB,

    That was a plain lazy news item. Kate H had a snark at Jacinda on Twitter re her wearing a hijjab after the CHCH attacks in light of what happened in Sri Lanka. As if thats news!
    And as for NZME ripping/riffing off a song title for their latest ad campaign. Bunch of tossers, the lot of them. Dress in black all they like, its not going to make any of them cool.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    The Herald goes subscription next week, at $5 per week. Existing print subscribers to the Herald, "Northern Advocate" and four other regional titles will receive free access.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

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