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  • Ian Dalziel,

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    Good old Stuff - spelling is not their strong suit...
    addition - how hard is that?
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/83705309/otakaro-boss-albert-brantley-could-earn-100000-in-edition-to-base-salary#comments
    Close enough is good enough it seems these days.
    I guess those extra ds cost big money while the vowels are cheap enough.

    That story is bad enough FFS, without adding illiteracy to the mix!
    (they'll probably fix it soon I left a snarky comment - though sometimes they just ignore those and leave any old tosh up - no bloody standards!)

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    they’ll probably fix it soon I left a snarky comment

    Fixed - they're quick tonight!
    - shame their original error has to remain in the story url - otherwise they'd have to delete from the system entirely and repost - the large print giveth and the small print taketh away - yet again - thank you Mr Waits!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to simon g,

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    Stuff's attitude to that entire story has been driving me up the wall, even without the comment threads.

    They've taken a serious and traumatic tragedy for multiple people and are trivialising it as if it's equivalent to some kind of of reality TV game show. (I wrote more on that frustration last night at http://www.windy.gen.nz/index.php/archives/5847 )

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1141 posts Report Reply

  • David Hood, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    addition – how hard is that?

    News stories don't need additors checking them these days.

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1445 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

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    Oh no! The Herald stays consistent.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 499 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to John Farrell,

    The Herald stays consistent.

    So they are not even using a basic spell-check program...

    I see a mention of a Standford University in today's Stuff pages...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

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    "You vill listen!"
    This one is pretty crap, even by Herald standards.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    'death by elocution"

    ...what dotted eyes you have grammar!
    :- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

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    filter feeders?
    Looks like someone at The Herald is living in the past – or Carter just isn’t making an impression as Speaker….
    …judging by this Politics link to the story below!
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11709851

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Brent Jackson,

    I never thought that I would be missing Lockwood Smith. Carter is such a disappointing Speaker.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 620 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

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    The Herald should stay away from these difficult words.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 499 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to John Farrell,

    The Herald should stay away from these difficult words.

    Heck, they are crap at the simple words too - Barry Soper and his enabling substandard subs deliver in The NZ Herald again today:

    Former Trade Minister Tim Groser, whose now on the Washington cocktail circuit,...

    It's 'who is' or 'who's' Barry, not 'whose' (which is really a possessive)

    But sad to hear that Tim Groser has hit the drink, post-TPPA...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Failure to inform...
    The new paradigm at Fairfax no longer serves the best interests of the citizens of Chchch - Since Fairfax Events became a 'thing' The Press has been noticeably parsimonious about informing their readers about important local events that either aren't under their wing or don't advertise with them.
    This years International Jazz Festival virtually flew under their radar - ( The Press used to be a sponsor of this event, but not this year) - I found it incredibly petty that they reviewed the opening concert without mentioning that it was part of a wider week long festival, or mentioning other events involving the same people coming up within days.
    Now this week there is a Mini IceFest on in Chch - http://nzicefest.co.nz/ - starting today, the 26th, was it mentioned in the Friday Go Guide,? No! Was it referenced in the article on the Antarctic GoldMine for NZ & Chchch last week? No! Was it mentioned in the Weekend Section of the Paper? No! Was it mentioned in today's Science page i The Press ? No! - I may have missed a School Holidays Attractions promotion, or not - but I thought this info would benefit their readers and make them appreciate the presence of the 'Journal of Record' as part of the social infrastructure.
    The Press has made much of how they are here for Chchch and to help rebuild an exciting city - but their actions tell another story, that of petty point scoring and passive aggression towards their readers' interests.

    And as an aside about broadcast media - I was mystified (and pissed off) by Colin Peacock's cognitive dissonance at the weekend - after a fine piece on Mediawatch about casual racism exposed in the argot of rich boaties on an episode of 'Houswives of the rich and famous in Auckland' (and its coverage)
    - He then went on (as host of the RNZ Sunday show) to dismiss yoga effectively as 'airy fairy mysticism' in a quite combative and cloth-eared (I thought) interview - Cathryn Monro - Spilt Milk Yoga - http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=201817458 -
    casually dismissing the beliefs of over 200 million people!
    http://www.weblogtheworld.com/events/yoga-culture-growth-to-over-200-million-people-worldwide/

    Just as culturally racist I would have thought?
    I used to think he was quite bright, but this was a gobsmacking revelation as to how set in the relevance and dominance of his own worldview he is...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    I tried sending this email to Matt Nippert today, via the Herald's internal email form on his profile page - but their 'proof that I'm not a robot' interface doesn't show the letters to enter - thereafter it refused to load at all - trés helpful.

    Does anyone have a working email address for him?

    Dear Mr Nippert

    I have just read your fascinating article on Ak Council corruption :
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11717850

    It has many rookie spelling and grammar mistakes - which really interfere with comprehension and sow the seeds of doubt about all content.

    Call me old fashioned and an ex-Press proofreader - as if one can ever be an ex-proofreader! - But I find that the flow of data into the brain suffers when it hits 'clunks' and inconsistencies, especially in 'the journal of record'.

    IE:
    "Borlase, who road maintenace firm Projenz...."
    - should be 'whose'
    and 'maintenance'

    "New Zealand's hiterto almost-spotless reputation or having an incorrupt public sector. "
    - should be 'hitherto'
    and 'incorrupt' seems a clumsy choice
    - incorruptible flies better (to my mind) or 'corruption-free'
    (I always associate 'incorrupt' with non-decaying bodies)

    "Yesterday, at the start of what is expected to be a seven-week trial at the High Court at Auckland, fringe mayoral candidate and self-styled anti-corruption campaigner for a while sat in the front row of the public gallery."
    - I'm not sure what this paragraph adds apart from the projected length of the trial.
    Who was the person sitting in the front row?
    All the people mentioned thus far are part of the process on the court floor...

    "...and progressive larger contracts first from Rodney District Council"
    - the adverb 'progressively' works better than the adjective 'progressive'
    (once again to my mind)

    "Dickey said the Court would heard from nearly a dozen former staffers..."
    - should be 'hear'.

    "George pleaded guilty on the eve of trail..."
    - should be 'trial'

    And this is just on a quick read!
    The internet is virtually 'forever', so fixing these would enhance the piece and The Herald's brand and reputation for accuracy and diligence.

    I always feel that a good writer and sub-editor symbiosis is like a good designer or waiter - you don't realise they are there or what they are doing, because they don't intrude in the primary process of consumption - be it data or food.

    Also if you get things right it doesn't reinforce others making mistakes or lack of rigour...

    Just sayin'...

    - but please put a rocket under those subs and their managers,
    otherwise keep up the good work

    peace
    Ian Dalziel
    designersaur
    and outrider for the Pedant Patrol

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Dickey said the Court would heard from nearly a dozen former staffers…”
    - should be ‘hear’.

    Or 'had heard' (more common error, resulting from ambiguous 'd being wrongly expanded).

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1940 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    I assume that the 'fringe mayoral candidate and self-styled anti-corruption campaigner' is She Who May Not Be Named and her moniker is expunged by the editorial system before publication.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

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    The new English, from The Herald.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 499 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    TV3 is set to dump Story. The "smart, fun and thought-provoking show that will lead the way in daily current affairs" was exactly none of those things.

    It's time to prepare your bingo card for its replacement, and the promos: expect "edgy", "fearless" and "thinking outside the box".

    I wouldn't mind these shows being predictably mediocre half as much if the networks didn't keep pretending they were the opposite.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Stockholm syndrome?
    Joanna Norris (Fairfax South Island editor-in-chief) apparently believes journalism is imperilled by there not being a media monopoly.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/86230976/preventing-a-media-merger-would-imperil-journalism

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to simon g,

    I think I could potentially tolerate the replacement if it's actually modeled The Project, if only because comedians can often be more insightful than modern presenters. Their ability to satarise can be entertaining and also offer perspectives on any issue that any viewer mightn't have thought about.

    It's hard to know, though, because apart from having a really strong comedy industry, Australia tends to have a much stronger news media than NZ, and maybe it's because it has people like Waleed Aly on staff alongside the more overt comedy. The comedians pushed into prime time actually get into real news and issues instead of sidestepping it with inconsequential light stories, so if the NZ edition's just going to be a flaky shadow of it then there's no point.

    When I first heard about Seven Sharp I thought it was being modeled on The Project, but it turned out to just be a Hosking ego-fest. That's fine if you like and always agree with Hosking and his co-hosts, but a total bore if you don't.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1141 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Earthquake causes breakdown (or shake up) of English language!
    Well so it seems in Steve Braunias's Earthquake report via the NZ Herald subs:

    ... the human spirit is indominitable and forever reaches for hope...

    I'd be reaching for a dictionary as well!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • izogi,

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    TVNZ's really focused on making viral videos from earthquake stories today. Is it always so bad? (Screen capture from about 3.50pm, 14-nov-2016).

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1141 posts Report Reply

  • izogi,

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    ..and compare with the non-state-owned Newshub right now, for example, which to my untrained eye at least seems more intent on listing actual news related to the earthquakes.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1141 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/86782357/editors-tell-the-commerce-commission-declining-media-merger-is-wrong
    These editors make much of "the communities we serve" yet I've noticed Fairfax's coverage of major events in Chchch has dropped away unless they sponsor it or it is a Fairfax Media Events event - it's a 'community of interest' they serve not actually all the people that make up a community...
    They enable Facebook and Google by publishing their own material on line to be reaggregated before the print edition comes out - for no good reason in many cases (ie: not time crucial information).
    They have lost their way!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    While most of our MSM are off chasing clickbait, RNZ still provides a glimmer of light at the end of an increasingly long and dark tunnel. My apologies if someone has posted this in another thread but I can’t find it anywhere.

    I’m referring to RNZ’s excellent work in exposing the widespread abuse of minors in State care between the 1950s and 1980s and this government’s attempts to either cover-up the scandal or at least to make it disappear as cheaply as possible. And damn the victims.

    Former Youth Court judge Carolyn Henwood (Dai’s mum) chaired the Confidential Listening and Assistance (CLAS) panel which spoke to more than 1100 victims who had been abused in state care, under the less than watchful eye of the Department of Social Welfare. Her detailed report which recommended an independent enquiry has effectively been shelved by the government.

    RNZ’s coverage began Wednesday morning with Kim Hill’s superb interview with Minister for Social Development Anne Tolley which began at 7:28am as a brief discussion before the 7:30am news. The Morning Report producers in their wisdom allowed the interview to run for a full 16 minutes, with Tolley finding herself increasingly out of her depth. Here’s one memorable exchange.

    Tolley: “Some of the claimants that have actually made claims and had claims settled have said that in some cases they experienced very good care.”

    Hill: “You mean, when they weren’t being raped or abused?"

    Tolley insists that the MSD, the reincarnation of the very department which oversaw the abuse, is somehow the correct body to provide victims with an impartial ear. If you haven’t heard that clip yet, please do yourself a favour. See also Toby Morris’ great cartoon (below) which nails the minister’s attitude.

    Kim Hill’s interview and in particular Tolley’s arrogance inspired a number of victims to contact RNZ. Kathryn Ryan opened Nine to Noon interviewing survivor Jazmine Bell who was disgusted with the Minister’s comments and her refusal to order an independent inquiry or a blanket apology to victims.

    Then add to the mix Aaron Smale’s excellent backgrounder which shows the lengths Tolley and Attorney-General Chris Finlayson have gone to to bury the report and avoid any embarrassing enquiry. The government appears determined to pick off vunerable victims by offering them a small settlement in exchange for signing a confidentiality agreement preventing them from ever speaking publicly about the abuse.

    "Make it go away."

    This is a national scandal which deserves this type of quality journalism. RNZ’s coverage has inspired other journalists to pick up the mantle, including Toby Manhire’s summary published by the Herald today.

    Journalism is still alive at RNZ. And Kim Hill is indeed a national treasure.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

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