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  • Corp PR, in reply to andin,

    Didnt mean to suggest it is all the consumers fault at all. But if we accept that quality journalism takes time and resource, and time and resource takes money, the 'user' must surely be one of the 'payers'.

    Since Oct 2012 • 2 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Corp PR,

    Many current financial models for media are unsustainable. Business drivers are largely economic and based on market consumption patterns – ratings, circulation, advertising revenue; online hits etc. – we haven’t totally figured out yet a business model that rewards quality ahead of consumption – which as we all know is not always the same thing (although can be).

    That evokes this article from the WashPost. It seems the current fiscal orthodoxy has pushed its luck and is becoming what it replaced.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5441 posts Report Reply

  • Greg Dawson, in reply to Emma Hart,

    Fortunately, as I was saying to my partner during a rugby commentary the other day, English has lots of hit-points, and regenerates.

    Super (language) geekery ahoy! Or was that a veiled attempt to troll?

    And for my attempt to cap out irony for this thread - really, hyphenating hitpoints?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 294 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Corp PR,

    But if we accept that quality journalism takes time and resource, and time and resource takes money, the 'user' must surely be one of the 'payers'.

    I think that's sound. The "If" in there is an important caveat. Time and resource might not take money, in a different model. People can and do work for free, and that is what the quality paid journalism is competing with. Which is why I said earlier that it's the very conception of the value of work, and the inextricable link from that to money, that creates the trouble for this industry, and many others.

    Thanks for your comment, btw. I'm really liking how many new contributors this saga has brought to PAS.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Corp PR,

    and time and resource takes money, the ‘user’ must surely be one of the ‘payers’.

    See that's a connection I revile against, its not you. Seems to happens a lot tho. We are people we have time and resource and what is in our best common interest?
    This gets lost in it all I feel.
    Snap Ben!

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    We are citizens as well as consumers.

    Some of media's privileged access and legal indemnity comes from serving the former, not the latter. If we change the social contract, let's revisit those as well.

    As was raised during the Commerce Commission review of new media, if someone is performing the same role, why not offer similar protection and access, and enforce standards? And if they're not, it shouldn't matter that they used to be a 'newspaper'.

    When you look at the swift counter-action in this story, imagine if Keith had taken on a big corporate rather than govt department - and what protections might have helped, other than deep pockets or establishment connections?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Williams, in reply to Sacha,

    We are citizens as well as consumers.

    Some of media’s privileged access and legal indemnity comes from serving the former, not the latter. If we change the social contract, let’s revisit those as well.

    This is, I entirely agree, a really critical point (well made) Sacha.

    Many institutions are have to resettle (I fear this is a very "Australian" term but I can't think of another) their position in civil society and the traditional media simply can't hope to escape. What's fascinating, for me, about Keith's piece is that he's benefited from his position in the 'sphere in entirely the same way an established jorno, Drinnan et al, do from theirs, only the map of Keith's network is differently configured (and likely takes in more people with the specific skills essential to making this story work compared with Drinnan).

    and what protections might have helped, other than deep pockets or establishment connections?

    Indeed. The inadequacy of existing law will likely be exposed by a story broken here. I hope our respected host is well insured?

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2273 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Thanks Paul. When even Superman is giving up on print news, some fundamental rethinking is needed (h/t Toby Manhire).

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Sacha,

    Classic. Superman is like the ultimate under-acheiver. Gifted with the most ridiculous superpowers out of all the super heroes, he manages to get a tedious day job. I think Tarantino was right - Clark Kent is Superman's commentary on the entire human race.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Yay!

    I've just confirmed that we have Kiwicon organiser and Insomnia Security employee Adam Boileau on Media3 this week to talk about matters raised in Keith's post.

    He'll be on with Toby Manhire, who will be talking about this column.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand, in reply to BenWilson,

    We also usually know when journalists moonlight, or take on tasks beyond their capabilities. I always thought that those around him, including Lois Lane, were particularly dim by not figuring out that Clark was never around when Superman was.

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2560 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to Russell Brown,

    we have Kiwicon organiser and Insomnia Security employee Adam Boileau on Media3

    Just remind him that the cameras can probably see right up his kilt. Might give some of the viewing audience a bit more of an view than intended.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Lindberg, in reply to Geoff Lealand,

    Lois Lane, were particularly dim by not figuring out that Clark was never around when Superman was

    Oh come on! Clark Kent wears glasses!

    Stockholm • Since Jul 2009 • 802 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    Just remind him that the cameras can probably see right up his kilt. Might give some of the viewing audience a bit more of an view than intended.

    Noted.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    Might give some of the viewing audience a bit more of an view than intended.

    Not so. Everyone knows that the function of the sporran is to make viewing of the, erm, vital & interesting bits impossible - even by leetle crawly stealth cameras...

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to Islander,

    I don't recall whether Adam wears a sporran with his utility kilt. Didn't pay that much attention, TBQH. I just know that he often wears a kilt, and have witnessed such.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    Ah! One of the things about being part-Scots (albeit Orkney where they dont wear kilts much) is weird esoterica: sporrans were worn majorly when away from your own home. Yes, they acted as a purse – but they had this protective purpose as well. Females can wear kilts (derpending on your area & background) but females dont wear sporrans. Or skean dhu. (We hide them in sleeves.)

    Incidentally, kilts, real ones, are gorgeous garments to walk in. They lilt from your hips, they swing with your stride-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    Might give some of the viewing audience a bit more of an view than intended.

    Yes, we wouldn't want to inadvertently disclose anything sensitive.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Stephen Judd,

    bare facts

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Stephen Judd,

    Yes, we wouldn’t want to inadvertently disclose anything sensitive.

    Embarrassing data breach.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Lindberg,

    It could become an issue for the privates commissioner.

    Stockholm • Since Jul 2009 • 802 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    breaches

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Sacha,

    exposé

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5441 posts Report Reply

  • SteveH, in reply to Lew Stoddart,

    According to physicists, bumblebees can’t fly. And yet every day, oblivious to the theoretical laws under which they are impossible, millions of them get about and do just that.

    That’s a myth, Lew, folklore that appeals to some people’s prejudice against experts. It's usually used to discount some other point a scientist is making ("yeah, well, scientists also say bumblebees can't fly"). No one has ever seriously stated that bumblebees can’t fly or shouldn’t be able to fly. People have noted that certain simplified models of aerodynamics don’t work for bumblebees (and indeed many other insects).

    Since Sep 2009 • 444 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Martin Lindberg,

    not a breech presentation
    just slightly off kilter

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1940 posts Report Reply

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