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Legal Beagle: The flag referendum: complicating your decision

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  • David Hood,

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    When it comes to turnout, and it's relationship to the result, I tend to agree with Linger that you need to think of the electorates as different clusters. I reckon 3, each with their own story.

    I would also say turnout was not significantly motivated by interest in the new flag in any of the communities, if you want the full argument on that one, I've put it here

    https://thoughtfulbloke.wordpress.com/2016/03/29/stuff-pakeha-like-flag-referendums/

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1445 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to David Hood,

    Nice. Completely agree re: interpretation of the South Auckland cluster too.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1941 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    I'd suggest there were two fairly separate groups opposed to change: conservatives who identified with the old flag and it's imperial links, and liberals opposed to anything from John Key. (and design snobs, who form a statistically insignificant outlier).
    Add to that Maori people who as David notes, saw the new flag as not representing their community. (And/or, as Andrew Little suggested, having an affinity for the British monarchical link).

    I would imagine that a future left-wing government would have less problem changing the flag, especially if a suitably elaborate and inclusive process was followed, and Gareth Morgan paid for it.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • David Hood,

    "And Gareth Morgan paid for it"

    Would he want exclusive use of a corner of the flag for his lifetime?

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1445 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11615542

    Just how did John Key get two of the biggest names in rugby to back his failed flag campaign?
    It could have been as simple as a text message.
    Former All Black captain Richie McCaw and Dan Carter, currently World Rugby Player of the Year, were texted by the Prime Minister and asked to watch his video promoting a change of New Zealand flag. They both went on to publicly support the campaign for change just weeks before voting began last month.
    ...
    Mr Eagleson said it was unclear whether Mr Key was texting in his role as Prime Minister, or in some other capacity which would mean the text messages were private. Rather than make a call on which role he was in while texting, Mr Key had volunteered the information.

    The tosh keeps coming...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    He said the Prime Minister didn't have copies of the text messages and couldn't remember the exact date.

    After getting rapped over the knuckles with a wet bus ticket by Archives NZ last year for deleting incriminating texts between himself and Slater Junior, you'd think Key might have learned a lesson.

    Unless of course he was wearing his I'm just a dickhead who knows famous sportspeople hat this time, in which case, that's apparently O'K.

    I wonder if Key has his own milliner?

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

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