Hard News by Russell Brown

Read Post

Hard News: We still died at each other's hand

140 Responses

First ←Older Page 1 2 3 4 5 6 Newer→ Last

  • Just thinking,

    Collins has got her dog whistle out and is doing some window dressing. We've reached a limit in punishment with no-where to go.

    Private prisons are on notice it'll be reversed on the change of Govt.

    When will Goffs travel buddy, the SST be hit by its lack of Charitable Status?
    (smiles with glee) :)

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • recordari,

    When will Goffs travel buddy, the SST be hit by its lack of Charitable Status?
    (smiles with glee) :)

    It's a cult, surely?

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Heh; But seriously, if people must use the cards analogy, the original cabinet was a “deal”.

    Well in that case, the reshuffle should actually be a re-deal.

    'Reshuffle' makes sense if you don't think of the cabinet 'cards' all laid out on the table, but in the pack and you've reshuffled them to change the order.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    When will Goffs travel buddy, the SST be hit by its lack of Charitable Status?

    And the latest I heard is that it's short on cash. Funny that, since it's resisted all attempts at transparency. Nicky Hager's next project maybe?

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5445 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    As has perhaps already been made abundantly clear, Ms Collins really gets on my tits.

    Really? You hid it well. :)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    And the latest I heard is that it's short on cash. Funny that, since it's resisted all attempts at transparency. Nicky Hager's next project maybe?

    Oddly, in the nutty press statement linked to from that post, McVicar says that the "Sensible Sentencing Trust is a registered charitable trust with IRD approved donee status".

    But it's actually not registered under the Charities Act, and it's hard to see any reason for that other than to stay off the register so no one can see its finances.

    Perhaps a journalist could ask McVicar about that the next time he's on the phone, rather than simply transcribing his predictable rentaquotes.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole,

    But it's actually not registered under the Charities Act

    Even better, under s37 of the Charities Act 2005 it's not permissible to hold an entity out as being a registered charity if it actually isn't. McVicar's on mighty thin ice, with a potential $30k fine in the offing.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Phil Lyth,

    SST is not to be found today on the list of donee organisations on the IRD site

    SST's home page today says it has "IRD approved donee and charitable trust status."

    Wellington • Since Apr 2009 • 458 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Stewart,

    SST is not to be found today on the list of donee organisations on the IRD site

    SST's home page today says it has "IRD approved donee and charitable trust status."

    Anyone in the media feel like picking this up and running with it?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    Go to here and use their search engine for "charity".

    Links to mentions of "our charity", "this charity". "charity golf" etc

    Hmm....

    Yeah!! I FINALLY scored the url linkage correctly!!!

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1590 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    SST is not to be found today on the list of donee organisations on the IRD site

    SST's home page today says it has "IRD approved donee and charitable trust status."

    I was going to say, IRD charitable status isn't what people go for now, Charities Commission is that one that we registered with as that's what granting organisations want to see.

    But SST doesn't appear to be there either.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen,

    So why do ALL media reports talk of a “reshuffle” ?

    Maybe shuffling was how he allocated them portfolios in the first place?

    I think they used GDKP

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4461 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    To be fair, I don't think it's a deliberate choice by SST not to be a registered charity -- they seem quite cross about not being allowed to be one.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking,

    Can SST use incomepence an excuse under the law or a mitigating factor in sentencing?

    As Graeme Edgeler points out, SST insisted on including smacking in the three strikes bill.


    http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2292,legal-beagle-david-garrett-wins.sm

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Stewart,

    To be fair, I don't think it's a deliberate choice by SST not to be a registered charity -- they seem quite cross about not being allowed to be one.

    Which still doesn't make it OK for them to, apparently, outright lie about said status to the public. I'm going to extend the benefit of the doubt and assume there's some confusion somewhere, but it looks decidedly odd, at best.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Litterick,

    The Sensible Sentencing Group Trust is a Registered Charity, number 1188021

    If you want, you can go to the Companies Office website and search for the incorporation, under Other Registers.

    The Trust is worried it might lose its status, because it does not really have charitable purposes, but is an advocacy organisation.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1000 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Stewart,

    Even better, under s37 of the Charities Act 2005 it's not permissible to hold an entity out as being a registered charity if it actually isn't. McVicar's on mighty thin ice, with a potential $30k fine in the offing.

    They do, however, appear to be registered with the Companies Office, and the Charities Commission website only says they're not allowed to call themselves a "registered charitable entity".

    Since registered charitable trust is *technically* a correct description of their status (they are registered as a charitable trust with the Companies Office) they're probably OK. But it's all a bit murky.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    OK, further poking around (thanks Paul and Lucy!) shows that the SST amended their trust deed on November 2009, presumably to bring themselves into line with the requirements for being a registered charity with the Charities Commission. So there may be hope for more transparency in the future.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    The Trust is worried it might lose its status, because it does not really have charitable purposes, but is an advocacy organisation.

    Family Fist and For the Sake of our Children also deserve the same scrutiny.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5445 posts Report Reply

  • Phil Lyth,

    The Sensible Sentencing Group Trust is a Registered Charity, number 1188021

    Well blow me down with a feather. Available on teh interwebs all along, you just had to know which dark dusty corner to look in.

    Thanks Paul

    Wellington • Since Apr 2009 • 458 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    Phew. Charity.

    I had lost faith but I still had hope.....

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1590 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Stewart,

    Phew. Charity.

    I had lost faith but I still had hope.....

    And, apparently, a KJV.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report Reply

  • Phil Lyth,

    KJV

    I hate TLAs ! ! !

    Had to google that one








    * Three Letter Acronyms

    Wellington • Since Apr 2009 • 458 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    yes....SST huh?

    KJV: Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.

    I feel the love....

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1590 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Litterick,

    Thanks Paul

    I am happy to oblige.

    If only I could monetise my ability to find stuff on Internet.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1000 posts Report Reply

First ←Older Page 1 2 3 4 5 6 Newer→ Last

Post your response…

Please sign in using your Public Address credentials…

Login

You may also create an account or retrieve your password.