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Hard News: The silence of the public square

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  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Pete George,

    A curious thing about political forums is how many participants seem unable or unwilling to discuss issues and only seem intent on trying to piss on people they disagree with or don’t like.

    Nothing curious about it, Pete. The reason you’ll continue to spend years having the piss taken out of you in any forum that will endure your self-absorbed droning is because you’re the Wing Han Tsang of NZ politics.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Pete George,

    Is Kim Dotcom a politician?

    Is that a special breed of humans? The polibeing?? Are they perhaps bred in a special enclosure to stop them being contaminated in some way?

    He’s a showman and a political party “founder and visionary”. It’s yet to be seen how successful his brand of politics will be

    OH do they come in different brands? Is that stamped on their foreheads at birth? Who knew!

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Pete George,

    A curious thing about political forums is how many participants seem unable or unwilling to discuss issues and only seem intent on trying to piss on people they disagree with or don’t like.

    Not unwilling or unable, thing is you beat the same drum about how a different approach is not acceptable and you seem bothered that the guy funding a new Party is German. I believe some of you have decided way before the Internet Mana arrangement that You didn't like him and therefore the dislike has followed through to the Party Party, their alternative approach, and possibly the choice of people in the Party Party. Dotcom wants to help get rid of the Key Govt, (so do I) Mana definitely want to get rid of the Key Govt, the Party Party have formed to try make that happen. Key charges $1500 a plate, Labour sells raffle tickets, the Internet Mana Party have a donor who is fully supportive of trying to get rid of Key. Bring it on I say. Pete you carry on, and see how that goes for ya. Frankly I don't agree with you so carry on carrying on if that's what you want.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    They came from Overseas with millions in cash, leaving many with little but the shoes on their feet. They persuaded and cajoled and sought attention from serious players, from media, from the people, from the police.
    Using their influence they gained political power in an attempt to rule a small South Seas Country. One a German entrepreneur, the other a Jewish Banker. Who could have thought they would become enemies?....
    Coming to a polling booth near you soon. Kim vs Key, the showdown.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    They came from Overseas with millions in cash, leaving many with little but the shoes on their feet. They persuaded and cajoled and sought attention from serious players, from media, from the people, from the police.
    Using their influence they gained political power in an attempt to rule a small South Seas Country. One a German entrepreneur, the other a Jewish Banker. Who could have thought they would become enemies?

    Take your racism somewhere else.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    I believe some of you have decided way before the Internet Mana arrangement that You didn’t like him

    No, some people don't like him. That is our right.

    This dislike is nothing to do with him being German...it is to do with him being an egomaniacal spoilt teenager....with shit loads of money....hence power and influence over the gullible.

    Some of us dislike Key with equal intensity. That is our right.

    This dislike is nothing to do with Key being Jewish, more because he is a banker and an egocentric, shallow person....with shit loads of money....hence power and influence over the gullible.

    Neither is really a Kiwi. And perhaps a discussion should be had one day about what it means to be a New Zealander.

    But neither Key nor Kim qualifies.

    So why does it have to be a showdown between the twain?

    Can't we PLEASE just ignore the pair of them?

    Better still, lock the pair in a cage and let 'em fight it out bare-knuckled.

    Give some of the other candidates a hearing.....

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1346 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh, in reply to George Darroch,

    Take your racism somewhere else.

    I took that as a pisstake. Borderline, perhaps, but still a pisstake. And with all the Godwinning going on left, right and centre, I'm surprised it took this long for anyone to mention the PM's heritage.

    Still, it would be nice to be having an entirely different political discussion.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald,

    Mana's policy statement on Disability

    http://mana.net.nz/policy/policy-disability-issues/

    Excellent.

    Well done.

    Shows a real understanding of many of the more significant issues.

    Would get my vote...if I had one.

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1346 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Rosemary McDonald,

    This is a good Mana Policy:

    Ensure that the needs and rights of tamariki and rangatahi are reflected in all policies that may affect them, and where possible, involve them in planning and decision making.

    - See more at: http://mana.net.nz/policy/policy-social-wellbeing/#sthash.yCF0S81s.dpuf

    That translated, means involving children in the decision making process.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    I took that as a pisstake. Borderline, perhaps, but still a pisstake.

    How very cromulent of you Sir, 'twas but a matter of fact.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    My only quibble with your comment was Jewish banker. John Key if you are talking about him, is not a “Jewish banker”, unless he says he is.

    But I see the picture you sketch.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace, in reply to Rosemary McDonald,

    Why don't you have a vote? Very good policy - wonder who wrote it. But it doesn't specifically mention the repeal of the NZPHDA Amendment Act.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3225 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    Why don’t you have a vote?

    Hilary...I am a dyed in the wool skeptic cynic rebel from way back.

    Yes...a person's vote is a precious thing. Too precious IMHO, to waste on the pathetic candidates available...especially in our electorate...(Shane Arden's seat...when he's not on his tractor.).

    There have only ever been two politicians who I would consider to be worthy of voting for...those with intelligence AND integrity, commitment and humility.

    Marylin Waring....not standing...pity.

    Catherine Delahunty...not in my electorate.

    The PHDAct(2) amendment, which removes my right to take an issue of incredible importance and impact on my family's life to the judiciary for review places me in the position of outcast.

    Less than the lowest scrotes in society...child rapists and murdrers have more rights than me....and others in my position.

    Until this is rectified...and yes you're right...no specific mention of repealing PHDAct(2) from ANY party, no promise to reveal the redacted sections of the Regulatory Impact Statement, fromrom ANY of them....I will not be voting.

    I might have if any one party had made rectifying that travesty a priority.

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1346 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    The Greens' Hand... rules!
    apres The Nation

    Excuse me, Mr Craig!
    I'm talking...
    Excuse me!
    Mr Craig!

    Gotta be this election's 'Nek Minnit'©, right?
    or soundbite, at least!
    and that man is no gentleman...
    ...he's fast becoming just a new boy called 'Sue!'


    Panel Beaters...
    Some of them behaved like they
    were still in Parliament (or wannabe),
    and some behaved with dignity...

    Even a wee bit of yer borderline
    argy-bargy over spending (I thought)...
    ... to paraphrase:
    'don't call me 'niggard', Whytey...'

    <...too soon?>

    mea culpa: okay that was a 'Sly' dig,
    I was over-reaching to grasp for a cheap
    and gaudy pun going begging...

    <strike that from the record, and may
    the jury of popular opinion,
    please disregard that.)


    PS: Nectar of the neckties...
    When will the truth come out about how
    decades ago an alien race of chameleonic
    Vampire Butterflies fastened themselves
    to the carotid arteries of Peter Dunne,
    hiding in plain sight! Oh horror, you,
    he's bound in some sad symbiosis.

    One future:
    Be. Hive.

    Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7948 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh, in reply to ,

    Mr Barnes, you are on the money.

    I dunno. See, Steve's comment I interpreted as taking people and their muttering of "Nazi" every time Kim Dotcom, who is German, as so many people are so unwilling to let us forget, does something likely to cause even a minor ripple in the status quo, and pushing them a little further. If it's ok to mutter "Nazi" when that German - y'know, the large man with the silly-sounding surname - acts out, then let's take the World War 2 thing a little further and call attention to the Prime Minister's heritage and then - hey, won't this be fun? A faux Hollywood showdown between the German and the Jew? Uh, yeah, not so much... Even if my initial interpretation was correct and Steve was taking the piss, then it's the kind of humour that is going to piss a lot of people off, and rightly so, because slinging mud at people based on their ethnic or national origins is absurd, and offensively so.

    And now we have this photo of yours, a photo of somebody who looks like John Key doing something presumably Jewish, based on his headgear and the caption. And that caption - "Jewish Prime Minister of New Zealand, John Phillip Key." Now, what's all that about? John Key is actually New Zealand's third Prime Minister of Jewish descent, and according to Wikipedia he "attends church frequently but is agnostic" so it would seem a little odd to be drawing attention to him being a Jew - especially considering how early in NZ's history Julius Vogel and Francis Bell served, and that Vogel was actually a practicing Jew.

    So how's about everybody calms down. No more of this "Jewish Prime Minister" talk, and no more muttering "Nazi" every time Kim Dotcom farts. Let's please get back to talking sensibly about things that actually matter.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    As someone with a Jewish wife and kids I occasionally point out that he's Jewish, mostly because to me it's a point of pride that NZ will elect a Jewish PM without it being an issue, much less a 3rd PM ... elsewhere it might be an issue, but not a bid deal here ....might be time for a Maori PM though ....

    Mind you we do have a minority to whom having a Jewish PM probably is an issue, ironically those people are likely to be on the right, supporters of National or their support parties .....

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2622 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    And now we have this photo of yours, a photo of somebody who looks like John Key doing something presumably Jewish, based on his headgear and the caption.

    That is John Key, and he is identifying as being Jewish. I was defending his right to not be labeled part of a religion, because of his ethnicity. But look, there he is, identifying himself as being religious. He is pro forming a religions ritual, and he is entitled to be Jewish because his mother is Jewish. John Key, is Jewish. Steve Barnes was pointing that Matter of fact out. But like you say, Steve is close to inviting outrage, because he is talking about Jewish.

    My grandmothers cousin, was an ulster – Scott, and later became a New Zealand Prime minister. His ethnicity was relevant, especially if there happened to be troubles in Northern Ireland, but that was the olden days. Don’t get me wrong, I am not for a minuet suggesting that John Key would use his ethnic/religious status in his New York network, to his advantage in any way. And I’m not saying his ethnicity would influence his response to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. What I am saying is that Steve’s correct, he is, well, he was a Jewish banker. Now he is a Jewish New Zealand Prime Minister, just like my grandmothers cousin was an ulster – Scott New Zealand Prime minister. One day we might have a Maori New Zealand Prime minister.

    Did you know, that 17 of 44 American presidents where Ulster – Scotts?

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to ,

    Mr Barnes, you are on the money.

    Steven, the picture is unverified and it’s from the website of an anti-semitic group called the Anti Zionist League. I realise you probably posted it without realising that, but I’ve deleted it and you are not to try and post it again.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22843 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    So how’s about everybody calms down. No more of this “Jewish Prime Minister” talk, and no more muttering “Nazi” every time Kim Dotcom farts. Let’s please get back to talking sensibly about things that actually matter.

    I cannot endorse this strongly enough. This is an irrelevant line of discussion.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22843 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    As someone with a Jewish wife and kids I occasionally point out that he's Jewish, mostly because to me it's a point of pride that NZ will elect a Jewish PM without it being an issue, much less a 3rd PM ... elsewhere it might be an issue, but not a bid deal here ....might be time for a Maori PM though ....

    There was Julius Vogel many moons ago, and as far I know, his Jewishness wasn't used against him. Same goes for Dove-Myer Robinson and Mark Blumsky for the AKL & WLG mayoralties respectively.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5439 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Russell Brown,

    I realise you probably posted it without realising that, but I’ve deleted it and you are not to try and post it again.

    No, I did not realize that, and I am not ten years old.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    I am Steve(n) too...
    Any fool knows John Key's religion is Mammon!!
    all else is posturing, and playing to the crowd.
    ...or is he just putting the 'Ham' in Abrahamic....

    His sanctioning of the collateral death of a New Zealand citizen at the hands of an American 'terrorist prosecution' by missile, shows he has no interest in the Mosaic Laws that underpin the Jewish faith, let alone humanity in general...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7948 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    My Grandmother's cousin took our country to war. But that was just over a hundred years ago.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to steven crawford,

    No, I did not realize that, and I am not ten years old.

    Fair enough: "please don't post that here" might have been better. But I am responsible for what's published here and that conversation was going nowhere good.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22843 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    His sanctioning of the collateral death of a New Zealand citizen at the hands of an American ‘terrorist prosecution’ by missile, shows he has no interest in the Mosaic Laws that underpin the Jewish faith, let alone humanity in general…

    Least we forget... a hundred years ago Peter Fraser opposed conscription (and New Zealand's participation in an "imperialist war"), was imprisoned for sedition in 1916 and yet did a complete turn around as Prime Minister in 1939 -- a move that was *cough* not uncontroversial within the Labour Party.

    You can draw whatever conclusions you like about Fraser's view that WW2 was a "just war" in ways the First was not, but what that says about his "interest in the Mosaic Laws that underpin the Jewish faith, let alone humanity in general" escape me.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

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