Hard News: Limping Onwards
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st ephen, in reply to
People will readily accept that the Universe is immensely complicated, but seem to balk at the suggestion that people are also complicated.
I've always said that the hardest part of rocket science was making sure the orbiting humans didn't kill each other (but I'll happily defer to richard).
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a road to nuance
We're on a road to nuance...
</Friday earworm>
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James Butler, in reply to
I’ve always said that the hardest part of rocket science was making sure the orbiting humans didn’t kill each other (but I’ll happily defer to richard).
"Once rockets go up / Who cares where they come down?
That's not my department" / says Werner von Braun-Tom Lehrer
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Sacha, in reply to
It's a pissing contest
?
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giovanni tiso, in reply to
But simple as in easy is what we read on the bus.
I read Feynman's Six Not So Easy Pieces on the bus. (Well, okay, the train.) That is not to say I understood them however.
Incidentally, and speaking of humanism, science, physics, one of the most wonderful books ever to have been through a printing press is the transcript of the conversations between Primo Levi and physicist Tullio Regge, which I see to my surprise has been translated into English even.
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Sacha, in reply to
earworm
damn you :)
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richard, in reply to
“Once rockets go up / Who cares where they come down?
That’s not my department” / says Werner von BraunOddly enough, one of my dinner companions this evening mentioned that he had met Von Braun when he (the fellow diner, not Von Braun) was an undergraduate. For old Usenet hands, this gets awfully close to an invocation of Godwin’s Rule, ;-)
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
Do you think they have Godwin's law on soc.history.war.world-war-ii ?
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Fooman, in reply to
Question: how many of you here are Usenet veterans, and is that where you learned your culture of internet argument?
Long-time lurker, some-time poster
#creepy "I like to read..."
1993/4 - started off with uoc.talk with Jane Gregg and Dave Frame arguing. rec.sport.cricket and s.c.n-z, and nz.general. That plus a.t. when I was bored.
FM
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richard, in reply to
transcript of the conversations between Primo Levi and physicist Tullio Regge, which I see to my surprise has been translated into English even
Will put this on my list for when I am next on the bus. Going purely by his science, Regge is (or was?) a very smart guy. And Primo Levi is, of couse, primo.
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Just prompted to do a spot of "where are they now" googling - Dave Frame and I were at UoC together.
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Jane Gregg and Dave Frame
Two more arts grads -- American Studies, Philosophy -- doing flipping awesome stuff with it. (Has Danyl conceded the point yet? Viz.: that the "gestalt consensus" about the value of the humanities isn't just a freaky PAS thing, but a fairly standard every-major-modern-nation-on-the-planet thing?)
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giovanni tiso, in reply to
Going purely by his science, Regge is (or was?) a very smart guy.
He's alive, although he retired a decade ago. A friend of mine did his postdoc in Turin and they put him in Regge's vacated office, which meant he had to spend a lot of time fielding his calls.
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James Butler, in reply to
Has Danyl conceded the point yet?
I wouldn't blame him for not turning up again. This thread is wak now.
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Andre Alessi, in reply to
Do you think they have Godwin’s law on soc.history.war.world-war-ii ?
You would be surprised! Saying "Contemporary Leader X is totally like Hitler" was pretty clearly out of bounds, as was "You say you admire Policy Y therefore you are obviously a Nazi lover and a fascist". On the other hand, saying "Churchill agreed with Hitler on the following topics" was totally OK.
Of course, things went a bit mental when the actual neo-Nazis and crusading Communists turned up.
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I wouldn’t blame him for not turning up again. This thread is wak now.
Wak feels like it should be an acronym for something, in this context.
But yes, the original title of the thread is starting to feel a tad self-referential.
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giovanni tiso, in reply to
Regge is (or was?) a very smart guy
He also invented reggae (true story).
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richard, in reply to
He’s alive, although he retired a decade ago. A friend of mine did his postdoc in Turin and they put him in Regge’s vacated office, which meant he had to spend a lot of time fielding his calls.
The last guy in my office before me (or at least with my office telephone number) apparently owed money on a credit card, which was a bit of pain. But I did once have the office next to Hans Bethe's (with Hans still very much inside of it) for a couple of months.
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Peter Darlington, in reply to
Indeed. That happened about the time of the 1995 RWC. A group uf us departed and set up our own little list, which continues to this day.
If said list was interested in a new member...
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Jackie Clark, in reply to
It seemed to me, but I could be wrong, but I don't think so, that there was somewhat of a lighthearted " I know more esoteric expressions and people than you do". But once again, that could just be my inferiority complex rearing it's ugly old self.
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Stephen Judd, in reply to
Question: how many of you here are Usenet veterans, and is that where you learned your culture of internet argument?
Yes and yes. At the time I first got into usenet, say 89 or so, it was still heavily dominated by the university student/staff demographic which I think set the tone.
It's taken me a long time to adopt a more gentle approach to disagreement. The line-by-quoted-line style of takedown is a luxury I still allow myself when I am really provoked. However, I have printouts of the XKCD "someone is wrong on the internet" cartoon in various locations in order to remind me to back away from the keyboard.
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Carol Stewart, in reply to
Incidentally, and speaking of humanism, science, physics, one of the most wonderful books ever to have been through a printing press is the transcript of the conversations between Primo Levi and physicist Tullio Regge, which I see to my surprise has been translated into English even.
Thanks Giovanni. Anything by Primo Levi has my undivided attention.
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recordari, in reply to
” I know more esoteric expressions and people than you do”. But once again, that could just be my inferiority complex rearing it’s ugly old self.
Nah, we’ll all be singing ‘Immanuel Kant was an real pissant’ before the night is out.
Philosophy. Leveling the playing field since ages ago.
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Islander, in reply to
+1!
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giovanni tiso, in reply to
Thanks Giovanni. Anything by Primo Levi has my undivided attention.
If there is a book that makes a better case for why we shouldn't think in terms of humanism vs the sciences than The Periodic Table, I have yet to encounter it.
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