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Hard News: How much speech does it take?

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  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Russell Brown,

    No, I don’t think so. It’s just a drive-by by someone with a weak argument.

    Cool. You're in a better position to make that call, so I've deleted the reference. Fair's fair and unfair shouldn't stand.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    @ the risk of ©odwinning the thread...
    Nice to see Rick Shera's Flowchart showing the complexity of the New Zealand’s Internet Disconnection copyright law get a link tip at
    boing boing today....

    ...and also an interesting article at Wired
    on undeletable cookies - something else to worry about!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Cool. You’re in a better position to make that call, so I’ve deleted the reference. Fair’s fair and unfair shouldn’t stand.

    Yup. I have some idea who it might be and could probably chase down a name, but really, who gives a shit?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Actions + Consequences...

    Yup. I have some idea who it might be and could probably chase down a name, but really, who gives a shit?

    That sounds like a stance Rupert Murdoch might endorse...
    it looked like a conscious and malicious slanderous act to me
    aren't there laws about that?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Update: Duh. Of course. Not hacked. Just some ninny using my Gravatar and a misspelled name.

    Also, it didn't add up because the number of posts the impostor made looked unusually low. Anyone got his IP address? Follow that hacker!

    Mind you, someone did the same with Duncan Garner on Brian Edwards' blog not too long ago.

    No, I don't think so. It's just a drive-by by someone with a weak argument.

    While firing blanks.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5441 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Russell Brown,

    but really, who gives a shit?

    Yup, if they've got something to actually say, it's an open forum.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    it looked like a conscious and malicious slanderous act to me
    aren’t there laws about that?

    Oh, but that would simply encourage the incipient victimhood I am sure is stored up in the mind of our little friend, waiting to be unleashed.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Russell Brown,

    We get the world we condone....
    Don't ya think you should them like the chance to espouse all these grievances from the pulpit of the defendant's stand - it's a popular route apparently...
    Give 'em that chance, otherwise who knows where it might end - they obviously need help!
    Isn't that where this whole thread started?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • recordari,

    This seems kind of apposite. Nice one, again, Gio.

    @recordari AKA Jack.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to recordari,

    Thank you!

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Doh...

    Don’t ya think you should them like the chance to espouse all these

    should read:
    Don't ya think you should give them the chance to espouse all these...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    our little friend

    the sound of one p clapping

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to Sacha,

    the sound of one p clapping

    Nah. The syntax is far too coherent.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to giovanni tiso,

    and way less verbose, but I liked the word association

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    a fine case in point...
    a Trade Me sale of a personalised plate "MAORI" has led to a rash of racist comments in the question/comments at Trade Me.
    16,000 views and no bids, makes me think there a lot of people out there with a lot of time on their hands.
    I agree with Maori Party co-leader Pita Sharples who said

    ... the comments represented one of the worst elements in society – that people felt they could publish their prejudice without regard of the hurt to others.
    "This is the dark side of social networking, where people can hide on Trade Me and Facebook and be anonymous while making remarks hurtful to others."

    Interestingly almost a year ago a smaller furore surrounded the plate "ARYAN1" - the great cycles of life, eh?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    I avoided the cost of personalised plates by changing my name to WI 2449
    ;-)

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    I avoided the cost of personalised plates by changing my name to WI 2449

    #viztoptips....

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    A post written with David Farrar in mind. If your website is full of assholes, it’s your fault.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell, in reply to giovanni tiso,

    +1 thanks Gio- great link.

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2110 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to giovanni tiso,

    I kinda don't agree with that guy's set of imperatives. You *must* do this, etc.

    If people want to read the sewerblog pages, or comment offensively on a public site, or buy the Sunday Star Times, then it's up to them. For commodity sites like Google and TradeMe, should they be setting bounds to comment? They are after all in a quasi-monopoly position. Sure, some would be happy if they spike anything beyond the liberal consensus, but what if they fall into right wing hands and start deleting anything which is outside *their* idea of acceptable opinion? (What if Murdoch hadn't stuffed Myspace up? We might have News Corp owning social networking).

    Also TradeMe is one of the least anonymous sites on the web almost by definition. Most of those posting will also be selling stuff, and if a large aggrieved person wanted to remonstrate with one of those fucktards, they could easily bid for the little worn Don Brash t-shirt they had for sale, pop by to collect and deal to them physically.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    If people want to read the sewerblog pages, or comment offensively on a public site, or buy the Sunday Star Times, then it’s up to them

    That makes the questionable assumption that hateful speech doesn't hurt anybody, and that if you expose yourself to it, it's your fault.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • merc, in reply to giovanni tiso,

    Very good point.

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    I'm just of the view that censorship (by which I mean censorship conducted by government or large corporations - not editing ones own website, which anyone is entitled to do) is wrong. And when somebody says "you must", I take that as being a call for government to step in and require such censorship. (e.g. forcing NZ based sites to moderate their content and programming the Internet Filter to block any overseas sites that don't do so).

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    From the article Giovanni linked to.

    Businesses that run cruise ships have to buy life preservers. Companies that sell alcohol have to keep it away from kids. And people who make communities on the web have to moderate them.

    There is no unfettered right to published speech. Speech is a form of action. It has consequences for other people. A civilised society manages that potential impact.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    And when somebody says "you must", I take that as being a call for government to step in and require such censorship.

    Too bad the article doesn't say nor imply any such thing, quite the contrary.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

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