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  • Anne M,

    Rrue RB, but as one 'serving police officer' said via email to Michale Laws this morning on RadioLive [I'm paraphrasing] "I was 'caught' in the internal investigation of Police computer files and given a reprimand and demotion for posessing an objectional image. I had never opened the attachment, which had been widely distributed via email to many officers; but that didn't matter. According to the law I was in possession of the objectional material and was punished accordingly. So Broad should suffer the same consequences". So I suspect this may be behind the leak.

    Was the law (and the legal consequences thereof) the same in 1980-whenever as it is now?

    Since Nov 2006 • 104 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    Urgh. Investigate. I give it credit for not being as bad as Uncensored, but that I believe is called a low baseline comparison...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1611 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    what shits me is that wishart is obviously playing the attention card.

    his magazine is filled with unadulterated bullshit designed to wave red flags and generate water-cooler talking points (though not always, he does score the occasional hit), and...

    we're all talking about him.

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2042 posts Report Reply

  • Jimmy Hayes,

    Yeah, I wasn't going to say anything, but now Che nailed it I'm drawn to comment. Strangely enough.

    Anyway, I'm not enjoying the over-analysis of this. The way I see it, he was incidental to the screening, as a young man he didn't report the 'crime' to superiors who knew about it anyway, he encourages a wholly different culture in the present Police culture, he has apologised, he has the strong support of the Police Association, and Wishart is a semi-crazed publicity-grasper.

    Case closed.

    Since Apr 2007 • 35 posts Report Reply

  • Muriel Lockheed,

    Angus said

    Look at Mr Key seeking & getting accomodation with Sue Bradford. Look at the polls before and after

    ummm I didn't think he reached accomodation with Sud Bradford, infact Helen Clark sent him a note inviting him to meet and the compromise happened from that meeting.

    Wellywood • Since Nov 2006 • 44 posts Report Reply

  • Nobody Important,

    Was the law (and the legal consequences thereof) the same in 1980-whenever as it is now?

    Laws also had on the chap from the Censorship Office, who went into detail about what's criminal and what isn't. Evidently its not against the law to watch objectional material, but it is against the law to show/distribute it, or to possess it. Since Broad did not possess the material, nor did he screen it, he is in the clear. So Laws asked if it was okay to watch bestaility/kiddieporn on the internet and evidently as long as its a live streaming video and you don't download it .... it is!

    And if someone (even a stranger) sends you an email with an attachment (that turns out to be objectionable) then you should delete it and clear your cache to be rid of it because otherwise in the eyes of the law you 'possess' that attachment; even if you didn't open it. So sayeth the Censor ...

    expat • Since Mar 2007 • 319 posts Report Reply

  • Nobody Important,

    The way I see it, he was incidental to the screening, as a young man he didn't report the 'crime' to superiors who knew about it anyway, he encourages a wholly different culture in the present Police culture, he has apologised, he has the strong support of the Police Association, and Wishart is a semi-crazed publicity-grasper.
    Case closed.

    So, to get back to a point I made earlier, that no-one has responded to ... if it was kiddieporn and not bestiality that they watched last century ... would we all still be so willing to sweep this under the carpet? If the Centre-right were in Govt would we all not be 'outraged'!?

    expat • Since Mar 2007 • 319 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    he has the strong support of the Police Association

    That's not always something to crow about, Jimmy.

    I recognise the Police Association as a trade union which (unsurprisingly and quite legitimately) advocates for the interests of its members. However, I do wonder if the PA is too often treated as a disinterested party by the media when it's nothing of the kind. I'd also suggest Greg O'Connor - who I've always found perfectly amiable in my limited contact with the man - isn't always the most thoughtful or measured contributor to public debate.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Anne M,

    if it was kiddieporn and not bestiality that they watched last century

    That who watched? From what I understand there's one chap that says that Broad (and others, including I assume himself) watched it and a number of others, including Broad who say that he (Broad) didn't even see it and it 'cleared the room'.

    If we want to charge someone for this, surely it's the chap who acquired and put the film on? Who was/is he? Wisharts informant?

    Since Nov 2006 • 104 posts Report Reply

  • Jimmy Hayes,

    For a number of reasons, I think that kiddy porn is a more serious offence than bestiality, which isn't to say bestiality is a trifling matter.

    I think the type of Government in office is totally irrelevant.

    Since Apr 2007 • 35 posts Report Reply

  • Tony Kennedy,

    I went and read today’s Dompost which quotes a source as saying "that one video showed a man copulating with a chicken."

    This implies that here was more than "one" video, were the others all rugby games (any of them involving the French perchance, on the other hand lets not pursue that one.)

    Back to the chicken, I can think of a number of options, the chicken was dead (necrophilia/bestiality), the chicken died during the making of the video (snuff/ bestiality), no chicken was harmed in the making of the video (bestiality) or it was a rubber chicken, in which case there must have been some politicians present, hence a cover up.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 225 posts Report Reply

  • Jimmy Hayes,

    That who watched? From what I understand there's one chap that says that Broad (and others, including I assume himself) watched it and a number of others, including Broad who say that he (Broad) didn't even see it and it 'cleared the room'.

    Exactly.

    Craig, your thoughts on the PA are noted and I agree O'Connor speaks before he thinks at times. However, what matters to me with regards to him in this case is that he says police support him and he is a superior Commissioner to at least the previous two. I believe that reflects the feeling within the employee group - otherwise he won't be their representative.

    Since Apr 2007 • 35 posts Report Reply

  • Nobody Important,

    If we want to charge someone for this, surely it's the chap who acquired and put the film on? Who was/is he? Wisharts informant?

    Good points Anne, and maybe that's a direction this matter should take. This 'situation' has raised a mish-mash of feelings for me. Like the PM I have no doubt Broad has moved on from the 'old' Police Culture and is actively working to set up new systems to change it. This matter is not in the same league as the historical rape allegations recently tried, but by the same token it's pretty damning.

    I think the type of Government in office is totally irrelevant.

    I agree that it should be, but the cynic in me wonders how Labour would have reacted if they were not in office.

    Have women against pornography weighed in on this issue?

    expat • Since Mar 2007 • 319 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    Back to the chicken, I can think of a number of options, the chicken was dead (necrophilia/bestiality), the chicken died during the making of the video (snuff/ bestiality), no chicken was harmed in the making of the video (bestiality) or it was a rubber chicken, in which case there must have been some politicians present, hence a cover up.

    ROFL!!

    sigh...

    bestiality? meh.

    as long as there's no harm to the animal, who gives a shit? seriously. it's not exactly normal behaviour, and it sure as hell doesn't floats che's boat, but... really... who cares?

    why get all het up about a sport that's been amusing farmers for generations?

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2042 posts Report Reply

  • Nobody Important,

    as long as there's no harm to the animal, who gives a shit? seriously. it's not exactly normal behaviour, and it sure as hell doesn't floats che's boat, but... really... who cares?
    why get all het up about a sport that's been amusing farmers for generations?

    Crikey - I think I'll let SAFE or PETA answer you on that one!

    expat • Since Mar 2007 • 319 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    I agree that it should be, but the cynic in me wonders how Labour would have reacted if they were not in office.

    Well, hose me down with holy water and roll me in garlic, but I'd like to give Labour a little credit and think they'd be pretty damn careful if positions were reversed. All may be fair in love and war - but politics is a slightly different beastie.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark,

    I'm with Che on this one. Seriously, what's with all the overanalysis? Shock horror, a bestiality film. Shock horror, at a police rugby club party. Shock horror, people watched it. Come on now -it was 1981. The man didn't know he was going to be Police Commissioner, and you can't live your life in moral purity just because you might one day end up having an important job. Poor bugger has enough to deal with without having to be accountable for some dodgy goings on when he was in his early twenties.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3136 posts Report Reply

  • Angus Robertson,

    I agree that it should be, but the cynic in me wonders how Labour would have reacted if they were not in office.

    They'd do exactly what National are doing right now. Sitting back and seeing how it develops. Not associating themselves with a gutter journalist.

    like Craig says - "pretty damn careful".

    Auckland • Since May 2007 • 984 posts Report Reply

  • Neil Morrison,

    But I do think there are legitimate questions to be considered about Dunedin Police conduct. Allegations of rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment, animal cruelty etc are not something one should ignore.

    The key word being legitimate. But that is not Wishart's schtick and you know that DPF.

    People allow their hatred of Wishart to black their ability to apply critical thinking to the situation.

    I must admit to having a prejudice against Wishart and that may very well now verge on something like hatred but that's an attitude based on the fact that he produces pretty dreadful material. It is the worst sort of "investigative" journalism.

    Joe Karam seemed quite sure...

    I'm not sure who out of Karam and Wishart comes out worst for being associated with the other.

    Since Nov 2006 • 932 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    Crikey - I think I'll let SAFE or PETA answer you on that one!

    again with the "meh". it's usually the people who kick up the biggest fuss who have the most to hide.

    bet those peta guys have the odd chicken in the freezer...

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2042 posts Report Reply

  • Anne M,

    But I do think there are legitimate questions to be considered about Dunedin Police conduct.

    Damn right. On the first Bursury Night in 1980-something they raided every pub within staggering distance of Otago Uni. How unsporting is that?

    Since Nov 2006 • 104 posts Report Reply

  • Anne M,

    bet those peta guys have the odd chicken in the freezer...

    Is it beastiality if the beast is dead? Wouldn't it be unsafe food practices or something like that?

    Since Nov 2006 • 104 posts Report Reply

  • Neil Morrison,

    Is it beastiality if the beast is dead?

    Depends at which end of the gastro-intestinal track the beast is inserted.

    Since Nov 2006 • 932 posts Report Reply

  • Felix Marwick,

    Dunedin PI Wayne Idour has now been linked to the story. Specifically in connection with one of Investigate's sources - namely the woman who accused Dunedin Police of setting her up for her murder conviction.

    Make of that what you will

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 200 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    ROFL again.

    "Wayne PI".

    bless his ex-force cotton socks.

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2042 posts Report Reply

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