And so it came to pass, in the year of Lord 2007, that Riddley and Merc and Craig (and with any luck Deb) did mend their differences and cross the divides which had split the system unsunder. And on that day there was a great rejoicing and feasting.

And…

it's just that there are times that it gets tedious to me and interesting threads get subsumed by the volume.

Ditto.

I know I'm just a newbie but can I call "time" on this thread, ask you all to finish your drinks, and f#ck off home to your wives and…

...generally was an enjoyable place to chat about politics or complete bollox (as the fabulous rambling creation of mercproductions was).

I thought it was a place to chat about the topic at hand (as defined by the blog post each thread is commenting on), not whatever you feel like --…

here was me thinking that PA was a nice, big, happy family blog that although having a few ructions now and then generally was an enjoyable place to chat about politics or complete bollox (as the fabulous rambling…

Then some would be wrong. Give me a forum filled with "wit" rather than the sewer.

Totally agree, it's just that there are times that it gets tedious to me and interesting threads get subsumed by the volume.

I have never bothered to comment on it because I realise that:…

Riddley and merc, some would see filling threads with an incessant stream of "witty" comments as also closing down debate.

I'm with Don on this one. Craig's constant shrill hysteria can be a little tedious but I found all the merc and Ridley spam much more annoying.

Meanwhile, Ian's site…

It seems to me that the first nasty post was by Craig on page 14 and the animosity in it would warrant a…

Seeing as we are all dirty lefties...

Speak for yourself I shower every...(sniffs armpit)...ok, point taken.

Undoubtedly when you are at war with a deadly enemy it is better not to begin fighting among yourselves – but it is worth remembering that it takes two to…

Che, remember your breathing excerises...

bugger s.59!! if r and merc don't get their skinny hampster/machine arses back into this space right now.... well... i just don't know how bloody crazy i'm going to go!!

right now damnit!! and that bloody buzzard too! milo! if you can hear me! back! now!

and deb!!…

An important point Hadyn.

Get it right! It's spelled Haydon ;)

and never come back to a good party

An important point Hadyn.

some would see filling threads with an incessant stream of "witty" comments as also closing down debate

Then some would be wrong. Give me a forum filled with "wit" rather than the sewer.

When you get pissed off on…

wtf? i take a day off and r and merc flip out?

Actually a lot of people were doing summersaults all the way back on page 9.

Jeez, people...THEATRE!

I don't really any point in continuing to contribute to a forum where I generate this much...

THEATRE!

i took to…

I also like his podcasts which have a different tone again. Interesting how the mediums filter perception.

Riddley and merc, some would see filling threads with…

If anyone's taken offence at his comments please consider this:

Would you…

Can you please deactivate my account, because 1) I think that's the only outcome that's going to satisfy some people, and 2) I don't really any point in continuing to contribute to a forum where I generate this much angst.

I'd also like to publicly apologise for providing the…

but i sure as hell don't need the shitty bitchiness of Lincoln Meyer types who crave the abuse inherent in supporting parties that despise their own ethnicity and sexuality, and…

More than a wee bit

Fair enough.

I did it a couple of days ago, but didn't want to say so until I was sure his session had ended and he wasn't still logged in.

Ngggg

I that a Marge Simpsonism?

OK, they were not "do you want to fight" posts, I considered I was being censored in a hostile way by Craig, and I posted the quote from another thread because I think Craig was referring to being censored himself and I wondered by whom, thas all.

See above, plus…

Which occasionally more than verge on outright nastiness, as happened with the recent manifestly undeserved attacks on merc.

You're kind, Rob. I'm sure it wouldn't detract from Craig's pithiness to employ a similar generosity of spiri.

Ngggg. Can I point out that Craig hasn't said a word to Merc on…

But under attack he tends to get cryptic and use multi-levels of irony that are very hard to read.

oh, I thought that was just me and my literary inadequacies. I feel much better now.

Craig is getting the bash at Kiwiblog for hanging out with dirty lefties

So where's he doing that then?

prose that can sing and put-downs that zing.

Which occasionally more than verge on outright nastiness, as happened with the recent manifestly undeserved attacks on merc.

You're kind, Rob. I'm sure it wouldn't detract from Craig's pithiness to employ a similar generosity of spirit.

oh right. i look forward to using that defence myself.

Please, relax. It's a joke, and not even one at my expense.

Craig said on Kiwiblog: Wussell Brown, Apparatchik of the Liarbore Dykeocracy

i guess i'm just quoting you out of context Craig, would you like to explain to us what you mean by that?

It's irony, but I guess you might have to be familiar with my past adventures with wingers…

Craig said on Kiwiblog: Wussell Brown, Apparatchik of the Liarbore Dykeocracy

Benefit of doubt...

Craig mocking the usual suspects.

i guess i'm just quoting you out of context Craig, would you like to explain to us what you mean by that?

And oddly enough, I've never had a comment on PA System – or my contribution to PA Radio – censored at the behest of Wussell Brown, Apparatchik of the Liarbore Dykeocracy. (In fact, there seem to be some folks who think my filthy right-wing views don't…

http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2007/05/police_minister.html

The usual, broad allegations, (sorry), lots of puffing and dire hints of more, but no facts or corroboration. The mixture as before.

The PM & co could easily have just issued a nothing press release, quietly forwarded on any info to the relevant parties, then sat back and left Wishart to choke himself on his own shoddy work.

...if it hadn't also led the news on both networks* and graced the front pages…

On the one hand you express disgust and indignation about the likes of Wishart but when those attacked try to defend themselves you say they should STFU and not get into the sewer, as if somehow they are Wishart's equivalents.

Actually, I agree with Craig (a trend which is becoming…

All three gave evidence as expert witnesses at the depositions hearing for a private murder prosecution against Mr Abbott

That was good of them. Seems to be a track record building up here. No doubt all in the name of justice and righteousness.

I wonder if McLeod will be…

On another tack I found myself agreeing with Rosemary McLeod for just about the first time.

McLeod has a special reason to think poorly of Idour. He was one of three ex-cops who scored a $780,000 defamation award as a consequence of one of her columns.

Hum... I think it may be time for Commissioner Broad to send out a STFU memo – c.c.'d to Annette King – suggesting any information on the Investigate story be sent to the PCA not the Minister's in-box. Pretty hard to come away from that linked story with any…

And if you want a chuckle, head over to Wishart's blog and read about "the breach of broadcasting standards goes far beyond anything any New Zealand Prime Minister has ever done before."

The computer was turned on circa 6.45am and the message (You were the only one who deserved to stay) left on screen. Both defense and prosecution have argued about the timing since David was finishing his paper round circa 6.45am

what i've never understood about this line of "evidence" is…

Former cop Idour known for being into porn, email says

Yikes.

let's make sure they do

yeah, well i guess it depends on which police IW thinks need investigating (i don't recall him championing an enquiry into the Rotorua allegations), and what interests IW's targets might be threatening (if I recall correctly his target had supported an…

Ads in the latest in Investigate

... snip ...

So he does sell lots of high value advertising targeted at wealthy individuals. Mind you, it's quite possible that some of his advertisers support him for non-commercial reasons.

Fascinating. Thanks for that – I had intended checking when I was in…

inverse elitism = redneck populism

Investigate is calling for an inquiry into the police, which would mean that you think the police are not a serious entrenched power, but rather agitators for protection of vulnerable groups.

???

He seems to think

" Might be death to him. "

is a sentence,

"Might be deaf to him" Mr Wishart, "Might be deaf to him"

The phrase Leaping in like and ill-trained puppy springs to mind.

what i've never understood about this line of "evidence" is…

This week's official news diary:

Monday: Bestiality
Tuesday: Bain
Wednesday: Bradford
Thursday: Budget

Idour could have written a signed…

i heard IW…

if i see a copy of wisharts bs, i'm ripping it up and binning it.

phoenix falafels, here i come!

I guess she has to take her fun where she can get it.

I'd be very interested to know if there was church support of some sort as well

it'd be interesting to looking at the Companies Register for any EB associations with any…

Do you really believe that?…

Oh, so Dad was that derranged was he? Did he have a maniacal laugh, like The Riddler on Batman?

[You do get that I was joking right?]
I was more thinking along the lines of Sideshow Bob, but he also has a maniacal laugh.

None but the Good Lord JF, the Good Lord.
and perhaps associated rightwing fundamentalists who employ the same PIs, but who knows? He will be protecting his sauces.

Who'd have thought Bain would age to look like Dick Hubbard?

http://kiwiherald.blogspot.com/2007/05/dick-hubbard-granted-bail.html

Good bye and do have a good day .

24 hours in my days, D4J, at least keep your word will you?

(see Truth, Sunday News, Investigate) of course that kind of populism actually only pretends to be anti-elitist though.
you don't see them attacking those with serious entrenched structural power (who are usually their owners). the targets are invariably leftist pinkos who stick up for the…

can't help that I have a strong social conscience who goes to bat for the underdog

you mean, underdogs like... children?

who you're happy to see beaten with riding crops and bits of 2x4?

good to see that strong social conscience in play there dads.

Are most mass-murder rampages carefully planned?

che <--- has watched csi. the answer to you question is, "only if they're professional hits. by a police detective for example..."

che <--- is attempting to match d4j in the conspiracy steaks.

che <--- also likes his steaks blue. notably, the colour of the film shown by idour at the party in question.

COINCIDENCE?! perhaps not...

Why kill the whole family but spare David? What did he do to deserve leniency?

Maybe whoever did it (assuming it wasn't David – Robin, passing psychotic, disgruntled former client/pupil) didn't put a whole lot of planning into the initial decision to go and kill them and forgot that one…

would have been funnier if it had a prominent pro-zionist article.

why? because it would suggest that the "reread" stats are bullshit.

and..

why don't we all put on red balaclavas and bum-rush Ian Wishart and tie…

But that list of advertisers is an eye-opener. What are these companies thinking? To be directly funding this muck is pretty sad indeed. As the pink ginnea pig said,…

I wouldn't want to support an organisation like that in any way

and with that, thanks Malcolm for the list of companies to lobby and boycott. Disgusted by Investishite? Then get serious and let these advertisers…

If I search on "Lebanese" in the yellow pages, I get 4 hits. If I search on "Chinese", I get 423 hits. If I search on "Vietnamese" I get 72 hits. It just happened to be a Lebanese restaurant ....

Uh yeah. None of the Lebanese restaurants of my acquaintance…

Why kill the whole family but spare David? What did he do to deserve leniency? SNIP As others have said, why did Robin – apparently wanting David to stay/live – leave behind evidence implicating David but not himself?

Haha. That's easy. What's the only thing better than killing someone? Leaving…

Hmmn, "steering" or "staring"? Actually, both seem equally good descriptions. At least in my case.

Yesterday, a man of Lebanese descent was on morning report. He had just had the Privy Council declare a substantial miscarriage of Justice. This man declared that he knew the Dunedin CIB had a culture of extreme sexual depravity in the past, and that he personally knew of a…

Why kill the whole family but spare David? What did he do to deserve leniency?

what about those unsolved crimes / what about those hitchhikers/ I bet he did those too

(c) Don McGlashan /Richard Von Sturmer ...Thomas is Guilty, 1981.

Don knew....

I think you've nailed it there, NI. It's funny how some people are saying that Robin was deranged. Right, so he was so deranged that he thought that David was the only one who "deserved…

Yeah, you're right; his clothes weren't covered in blood and those bruises on his forehead had healed.

So Steven, is that a slur on Joe Karam, for being Lebanese and believing the Dunedin police used to be corrupt? Or is it a slur on Lebanese more generally?

Or is a slur on anyone who owns a copy of the magazine that has been so vigorously discussed in…

Or is a slur on anyone who owns a copy of the magazine that has been so vigorously discussed in…

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/488120/1122028

Not a very convincing performance.

Lotus – double page spread
Danske Mobler – full page
The Rarotongan – full page
Olympus – double page spread
Dilmah – full page
Lifewhy.org – quarter page
Barbara Doyles – half page
Danske Mobler – quarter page
Epson – full page
Cambridge audio…

I just had a flash memory of that NME interview where Lee Scratch Perry claimed to have seen Chris Blackwell drink the blood of a freshly-killed chicken. I probably need to ease up

I'd forgotten that wonderful piece. Danny Kelly was often good, and I get whims of NME nostalgia…

how much does it cost to print 8k copies. obviously there isn't anything spent on research, but PIs can't come cheap, even ones like Idour, and he must have other overheads.

Last time I checked – which was in 2004 – the printing cost for a print run of 15k…

I wasn't trying to obtuse. My perception has been that you…

Spose it's a cut above watching chicken movies.

Steady. My kids loved those Ardman films.

mmmmm... I pop into this site after a day in the sun, and there are multi directional flame wars brewing and wild discussions going on about chicken f**king.

Makes the travel advisories to Bali seem rather tame and unnecessary....

I just had a flash memory of that NME interview where…

I feel a sense of deja vu

Try combining it with amnesia

I have come to rather treasure the precious little things. Lie back, enjoy them....think of England if you have to. Stiff upper and all that.

Spose it's a cut above watching chicken movies.

I feel a sense of deja vu ... again.

But I if I say anything about it, I feel that RB will flame me. Again.

Hi Malcolm. Got a point to make on the topic? I would appreciate it.

But I if I say anything about it, I feel that RB will flame me. Again.

Makes the travel advisories to Bali seem rather tame and unnecessary....

Mmmmm Chicken ....

Please, please don't tell us it had a stuffing ....

He doesn't know if his father killed them because he didn't see it either. The only way David would know who the killer was was if he was the killer, or saw the killer.
You're missing one simple point. Either David or Robin is the killer. Therefore, if David knows…

It's just that there's no evidence that that's the case, and on that basis it's speculation. The sad fact is that Wishart does well enough to support the kind of operation he runs

yeah, but i tried to construct something like an argument about it... which wishart seems to avoid.…

i can't see what's particularly conspiratorial about suggesting that a fundamentalist might get some additional funding for a pro-fundamentalist magazine.

It's just that there's no evidence that that's the case, and on that basis it's speculation. The sad fact is that Wishart does well enough to support the kind of…

I and many others desire replicas of those cardigans very much.

being a big skinny bloke, i own a couple of them. muted colours, but.

and, i also think craig should pull up a bit. we've already lost one regular commenter, be a pity to lose more.

i can't see…

But apparently the David Bain case is linked to all of this as well? WTF??

The intersecting worlds of Karam and Wishart. Bain might be innocent and Karam may have started out well meaning but his campaign to prove Bain's innocence morphed into a vendetta against the Police (as well…

and John Wayne Gacey's water colours are also much in demand.

m, Craig's high moral standards for how people should behave in this forum only apply to others, never himself.

(On the bright side, at least he's sorted out his fashion sense while behind bars)

I disagree. I and many others desire replicas of those cardigans very much.

For so long he's been in this time capsule of a 22 year-old; now he's 35 and looking pretty middle-aged. All those years wasted...

That's what struck me too.

(On the bright side, at least he's sorted out his fashion sense while behind bars)

That too ...

For so long he's been in this time capsule of a 22 year-old; now he's 35 and looking pretty middle-aged. All those…

All together now: I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those pesky kids!

If it wasn't for you pesky kids the ski lodge/chicken farm/moral high ground/unbridled moral panic over animal husbandry/whatever/ would be mine . . .

the keystone cops. wishart is the other one on the wagon.

Although I'm not sure what "it" is any more.

Mr Wishart has also now accepted that Broad was not in the room when the film was shown.

Pardon? This story does seem to be falling down around his ears.

Which came first, the chicken or the...?

ahahaha!

"mmm... great dane"

Now what we need, to tie this all together nicely, is to hear that David Bain was at the party on the night of the chicken.

David is to young, but his dad on the otherhand ....

It's time to call in Mystery Inc, get Scooby on the case.

You're missing one simple point. Either David or Robin is the killer. Therefore, if David knows he isn't the killer, he must know that Robin is, or vice-versa.

Not necessarily. I've worked with people who could twist reality until they came out the winners and they truly, truly 'remembered' their…

You're missing one simple point. Either David or Robin is the killer. Therefore, if David knows…

http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/mnr/mnr-20070514-0709-Police_Commisioner_Accused_Of_Inappropriate_Behaviour-064.mp3

The second one, with Joe Karam, explains…

I also know one of the officers [Ellis case] involved was accused of having an affair with one of the mothers in the case

Colin Eade. Though you don't really need the "accused of". And the "one of" is selling him short also.

Otago Student magazine Critic got a very informal…

Not at all, John... Liberal columnist Michael Kinsley's…

If Weir had any 'entanglement' with Laniet
1] Where has this development popped from? Has it been around a while?

2] NI – the problem with that sort of evidence, is that there is no way of confirming if it is true. The ultimate in hearsay.

3] How would the…

Perhaps I need to say this in tiny words: Wouldn't wipe my arse with a copy of Investigate, and if I was on the receiving end of a Wishart smear job I wouldn't give a damn if his shitty rag was being personally financed by God Almighty Himself.

Crystal?

Er...…

so how about, next time you see one in such a situation, how about you take it away and put it in the recycling bin? i'll promise to do the same... unless this can be proven as theft? is it theft if you throw a way a free copy?

Otago…

Merc:

Look, I've made my position on conspiracy theories about who finances Investigate perfectly clear – and I'm going to fucking have a stroke of those chinless, scarf-wearing weirdos…

In that case, Don, could we hazard a quess that National is mixed up in here somewhere?

No, I wouldn't make that point or accusation at all.

Politicians are not responsible for their sympathisers and I cannot see the Key / English team stooping to this in a million years.…

If Weir had any 'entanglement' with Laniet

Where has this development popped from? Has it been around a while?

Yes, and if it's shown that Milton Weir, the former police detective who investigated the Bain murders had significant undeclared entanglement with Laniet Bain, via her apparent prostitution, then that would be of concern.

So if Weir had an 'entaglement' with Laniet but it wasn't 'significant' then it's okay? Sheesh.…

But how did you know about me & Nastassia?

I've seen Cat People. There's many of us been in that boat...

And in deference to Merc, can we call it Igour-gate? Pleeeeeese?

Mr Wishart has also now accepted that Broad was not in the room when the film was shown.

although he notes that Igor & others recollect Broad sitting beside them watching it – didn't Igor claim to be so appalled he didn't watch it either?

Too many unsubstantiated allegations...

Current wife? You still holding a candle for Natassja Kinski, Andrew? Very freudian slip...

Sorry, a typo, that should have read "current wives"

But how did you know about me & Nastassia?

I have a framed copy of that Avedon print (full glorious colour). Current wife makes me store it in the basement.

Current wife? You still holding a candle for Natassja Kinski, Andrew? Very freudian slip...

It somehow seemed appropriate :)

But the way Wishart has framed the story – as a gotcha involving a clutch of evil, conspiring Labour MPs deliberately covering up child sex rings, corruption and the framing of victims – just seems bogus.

I think the story has done what it set out to do, get people…

Can we call it Chicken Gate yet?

Heh. When I heard the news trailer mentioning that there was a new name in relation to the scandal, I immediately assumed that it has been christened SomethingGate, and was surprised (and amused) to find out it was actually about Idour.

Next? I'd imagine that a number of others from the party will have their say. This could put Wishart in a…

Can we call it Chicken Gate yet?

i reckon it's sitting downstairs appreciating in value.