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  • izogi, in reply to Alfie,

    Pebbles:

    I never aimed to target or isolate this issue to one family.

    Alfie:

    Of course you didn’t Pebbles. Quite obviously it was aimed at the numerous other families killed by CO from car exhausts in recent memory.

    Uhuh. Maybe it’s youthful idiocy from a 25 year old who "grew up travelling the world" and has "always felt 15", is always broke 3 weeks before payday, isn’t allowed a credit card, and has aspirations to not need to ask her parents for money by the time she’s 50. But it’s still just a fairly standard blame of other people for taking offence at what she said instead of taking real and actual responsibility for what she said. [sigh]

    I’d like to think there’s more action coming from the Herald based on its statement that they’ll be “taking the matter up with her this week”, but from its recent editorial track record I don’t have my hopes very high.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1142 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to izogi,

    isn’t allowed a credit card

    I think any 25 year old with a job or student loan can go along to a bank and ask for one. You don't need parental permission or anything...

    "isn’t allowed a credit card" == "isn't allowed a credit card with someone else paying the bills"?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to izogi,

    There's a telling quote in the Herald profile of Pebbles Izogi linked to above.

    I could be a feminist, hippie, left-wing, John-Key-hating, never-washing person that lives off the Government and as much as that would make my Dad unhappy, he wouldn't care as long as I was good to people and trustworthy.

    And the Herald hired her? FFS!

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1440 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    Pebbles Hooper is a microcosm of the famous-for-being-famous crowd which has the worst of both worlds of old money and new money - the born-to-rule snobbery of the former, and the survivorship bias and crassness of the latter. In short, a neo-feudal heiress.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5442 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    "isn’t allowed a credit card" == "isn't allowed a credit card with someone else paying the bills"?

    Or may have abused the priviledge of a credit card that parents pay for. Look, Pebbles comes from parents in the Fashion Industry. Considered to be up there worth acknowledging. I imagine,( like Sally Ridge and daughter Jamie are considered newsworthy), Pebbles joined her Mum on the HOS as the latest "it" people to notice. In my opinion, they are just opinions of Ponsonby and as Deep Red says, famous ish. I don't think it's any more fair to denigrate her name that she was born with and she is a very young writer. I think it's good she apologised quickly and I hope she learnt from it but really isn't her witterings just synonomous with reality trash TV? I don't expect intelligent writing but I do expect faux pas every day at te herald. I fear that giving the likes of them page space only enhances the perception of their importance which they clearly aren't. So I'll stop now. :)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    This just in. Pebbles Hooper has resigned from her Herald roles.

    I think it’s good she apologised quickly and I hope she learnt from it but really isn’t her witterings just synonomous with reality trash TV?

    I also hope she’s learned something. But I still have trouble reading her attempted apology as something which actually acknowledges she mightn’t have understood the real context of what happened with that woman and her three children, or was at any fault besides “careless wording” that should more correctly have avoided isolating it to just that case.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1142 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to izogi,

    Knowing kids she grew up with ,there were many times I would despair at what seemed like shallow, callous behaviour. More often it was the sheltered lifestyle that made the kids not see the bigger picture that real life serves. It would take the death of a friend or the split of a marriage to open their eyes a bit. Once that happened one would see them grow up just a little bit. These kids were not bad kids, just really young and sheltered and from affluent families. Really young and with that came a tad shallow.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    These kids were not bad kids, just really young and sheltered and from affluent families. Really young and with that came a tad shallow.

    This is an adult woman in her mid-20s. When Ashburton mayor Angus McKay says "It shows the intelligence of the person who made the comment" he has a point. It wouldn't be the first time that the media has groomed and fetishised someone who might well have a borderline intellectual disability in its quest to reduce its market to the lowest common denominator.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    Well I'll blame the parents. I didn't say that she was smart/intelligent, just that her friends, many I know, aren't bad. And yes, there are many writers at the Herald that are not smart. Her resignation may have been the smartest thing she has done.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    Hi Sophie. I appreciate what you're saying, but I agree that...

    This is an adult woman in her mid-20s.

    At some point the angry lynch mob calls for individuals to take responsibility need to go both ways. Pointing and shouting at any kids who die and screaming "obvious neglect from useless parents" simply isn't helpful, whatever the upbringing of the speaker.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1142 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    An expensive education may go some way towards mitigating apparent intellectual shortcomings. IMHE of such things, even the well-meaning are much quicker to condemn or patronise slow learners they identify as coming from the wrong side of the tracks.

    Izogi:

    Pointing and shouting at any kids who die and screaming "obvious neglect from useless parents" simply isn't helpful, whatever the upbringing of the speaker.

    Yet the tragic case of the death of the Wanganui surgeon's child seems to have gone unremarked by the hapless Hooper.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    It would take the death of a friend or the split of a marriage to open their eyes a bit. Once that happened one would see them grow up just a little bit. These kids were not bad kids, just really young and sheltered and from affluent families. Really young and with that came a tad shallow.

    Or sudden bankruptcy.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5442 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to izogi,

    Sofie with an F . I don't like lynching from anyone. I try to understand how someone's thoughts get to lynching . In Pebbles case, she said something stupid and uncaring then apologised. That she said it in the first place suggested to me she would also be ill equipped when apologising. I'm not defending her but bitching about her name on these pages got me wondering about a bigger picture and I happen to think a lot of people here are highly intelligent who tend to empathise and understand . I'm well aware of my shortcomings when I talk about ,even think about John Key. I'm not saying Schools in Ponsonby are an expensive education either. I'm just saying I think she was being shallow, uncaring and yes stupid. At least (in her 20's) she apologised. How often does Key do that? Never.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    Yet the tragic case of the death of the Wanganui surgeon's child seems to have gone unremarked by the hapless Hooper.

    I didn't know of it but the Ashburton case was being repeated everywhere. I don't expect the gossip columnists would do research at all.'ll do some catch up.
    SHIT! was that the baby in car left in hospital carpark? That was very sad.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    Ah okay, fair enough. I realise there is a bigger picture of people not understanding each other. As far as I can tell it probably cycles through generations, and that’s more important.

    I am still queasy about the tone of her apology, though, just as yet another symptom of all this. JK did apologise (eg, to waitress), but in a way that continued to deflect blame on the victim and others for taking offence at his supposedly superior and charming attitude. As I read Ms Hooper’s apology, it doesn’t seem too different to me. She didn’t retract the accusation of parental neglect. She only said she’d worded it badly. If she wants to raise the issue of parental neglect then fine, but as far as I'm concerned it continues to be cruel to let it be connected to this incident unless she’s prepared to offer some clear evidence and reasoning, which doesn’t seem to be forthcoming.

    But at least she’s said something, as you say. Maybe if she hadn’t been silenced by the reaction, she might have amended it. I have no idea.

    Sofie with an F

    Sorry! A stupid lapse on my part.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1142 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    The Auckland National Party is all about family - specifically, about making sure each others offspring have jobs, no matter how useless those children might be.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    The whole blow-up seems to be a wider symptom of an increasingly polarised and stratified society. It could be thought of as anti-competitive business practices, but applied to people instead of companies.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5442 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    I’m just saying I think she was being shallow, uncaring and yes stupid.

    I'd say also cruel, probably racist, and pretty close to celebrating a tragedy. It's like an echo of the whaleoil comment which sparked his website dos and computer hacking.
    I don't think it's a coincidence - we all tend to absorb some of the attitudes of the circles we move in.

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2110 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Rob Stowell,

    I don’t think it’s a coincidence – we all tend to absorb some of the attitudes of the circles we move in.

    This recent discussion's caused me to think back to secondary school in the mid-90s, which for better or worse was a Wellington public school which some parents buy houses and shift their families to get their kids into. I'll stop short of writing out the name.

    The whole thing was a mixed experience but what stood out to me was a particular teacher, from China, who was largely a target of many of the kids. Big parts of the classes actively aimed to prevent her from teaching them anything, which mightn't have been completely noteworthy except that the rowdiness was full of overtly racist remarks. Then they'd repeatedly complain to parents about her being impossible to understand (which was rubbish) and an ineffective teacher (sure, if you take their own attitudes into account), and get the parents to relay complaints back to the school, sometimes seriously and forcefully from what I understood.

    In hindsight, especially after browsing a few Stuff comment threads and similar, I figure that at least some of these kids were probably reflections of their parents and the homes they were growing up in. It really enlightened me as to how vicious and polarised some of the attitudes out there can be.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1142 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Just a thought. I wonder if John Key will give nod to John Campbell for all the effort he put in to get the All Blacks to Samoa?.
    I mean, if he doesn't, would that make people think that the demise of Campbell Live was something that he wanted?.
    And that little story Campell uncovered about money, raised for that historic event, being ,apparently, misappropriated. Would that have any bearing on the above question?.
    Who knows?.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    From today's Herald.

    Soap operas are one of the few genres that can entice viewers to watch regularly at 5.30. TV3 has backed the US-owned production company Warner Bros NZ (formerly Eyeworks) to make it a new soap for the timeslot.....
    .......A commitment to subsidise a daily soap - with taxpayers paying about 75 per cent of the budget - would be valuable for Warner Bros and for MediaWorks' Los Angeles owner Oaktree Capital, as it looks to find a buyer for its Kiwi broadcasting asset.

    Good grief...

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    make it a new soap for the timeslot…..

    Soap with....

    "with appealing, accessible characters and a rich, dramatic narrative".

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11482186

    Yeah, nah.

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1346 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    Good grief…

    ...perhaps just an ongoing part of the expansive (and expensive) deal Key made with Warner Brothers back at the outset of The Hobbit filming?

    I'm guessing it's not the Warner brothers (Chris and Guy) from Shortland Street (where I recently accidentally caught Winston Peters' daughter killing a patient, I am well out of touch!)

    That's two 'black holes' enabled by Julie Christie

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    John Drinnan reports that TV3's news rating are on a downward slide.

    Nielsen TAM ratings show a big slide since January last year, when the two news shows were nearly level-pegging. Today, TVNZ says the gap between them is the widest it has been for 10 years.

    On Tuesday, One News attracted 42.1 per cent of the 25-54-year-old audience and 3 News had 14.8 per cent, says TVNZ.

    While TVNZ no doubt cherry-picked the figures used in those quotes, Mark Jennings remains optimistic, publicly at least.

    "News ratings will always be cyclical and I have seen them ride up and down a lot in the last 20 years," said Jennings. "Our turn will come again.

    Personally, I doubt that. In ditching NZ's top current affairs show and reducing their Sunday bulletin to 30 minutes, TV3 effectively jettisoned any commitment to be a serious news contender. Almost half the stories on their 6pm news show now qualify as entertainment news which, as John Key has stated, is what the sheeple want.

    But wait... TV3 has plans to boost the lead-in to the news with a new 5:30pm soap. They've asked NZ on Air for around $10m to fund the show which will be produced by Eyeworks -- formerly owned by Julie Christie, now a part of Warner Bros. How many of us want to see $10m of govt funding go to a US company to produce a bloody soap?

    Weldon and Christie's decision to head downmarket may well have come back to bite their collective bums. And if that's the case, you'd have to say that karma can be a bastard.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1440 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Alfie,

    Eyeworks – formerly owned by Julie Christie, now a part of Warner Bros.

    I thought it was a Dutch company?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19743 posts Report Reply

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