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Hard News: A Weird Day in the Hood

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  • Sam F,

    Was mightily amused to see Garth George this morning losing his shit over police actions, as well as the new Government in general.

    This ... is inexcusable and for Police Minister Judith Collins it ought to be the last straw.

    Three armed coppers all shooting at once was like something out of a B-grade western movie. The whole ghastly incident reveals a lack of discipline, a lack of training and abysmal leadership.

    I have said it before and I say it again: the parlous state of the NZ Police requires at most a Royal Commission of Inquiry and at least the peremptory sacking of the Commissioner and other culpable officers and managers.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1609 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Was mightily amused to see Garth George this morning losing his shit over police actions, as well as the new Government in general.

    I actually took a gulp and read that. (mainly because I am anti Judith Collins) I then wondered if George had had a good or bad Xmas ,it's so hard to tell. :)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    I was expecting he was going to ask why the cops hadn't used a flammenwerfer to immolate the gunman *and* his hostages. After all, it'd be the gunmans fault, the gunman would be dead, so that makes it all right?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Just from reading the bit that Sam posted, I suspect what Garth wants is for, at the moment of truth, Judith Collins to leap out onto the motorway yelling "NO! You'll hit an innocent!" And then dash in there, like a Minister into a group of wayward youth, and knock the criminal out with her ministerial papers.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • A S,

    The shots hit close enough that he got shrapnel wounds. And since it sounds like the target had suddenly starting moving in a different direction, following Mr Neville's braking, getting that close isn't bad going.

    I hadn't seen any info about where the 5 or so shots that Police fired went, nevermind where any shots fired by the nutjob went, the near miss is still something of a supposition.

    Assuming it was the result of a police shot, shrapnel/richocheted projectiles could conceivably have hit the defendent from pretty much anywhere on the truck as (the length from cab to tailgate is fairly sizable). or the nutjob may have succeeded in shooting himself with a richochet when the truck braked. Projectile fragments from rifles firing a similar diameter projectile might make that quite hard to figure out, and I think the ESR guys will be kept busy trying to do just that for a while yet...

    Pray tell, what're your qualifications to make these judgements? Or are you just another armchair "expert" who thinks that, because he thinks he can see something in hindsight, it should've been blatantly obvious to the IC who was in the thick of it?

    Why the need for armchair expert insult? Ross asked some valid questions. If you don't like them fine, but given this is a forum where very few people have sufficient knowledge to claim any expert status, it might make for a pretty boring discussion if no-one is allowed to have an opinion.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2007 • 269 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    no-one is allowed to have an opinion.

    What ! Is somebody wrong on the internet?

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    it might make for a pretty boring discussion if no-one is allowed to have an opinion.

    Sure, but equally, in the event that you trespass on my limited but deep zone of expertise, I reserve the right to mock you mercilessly.

    Everyone's allowed an opinion, but not all opinions are equally grounded in knowledge, and I don't think it's a great sin to point that out.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    . . . my limited but deep zone of expertise . . .

    Heh!
    Listen insect, I haven't felt the need to think since I successfully defended my Phd thesis, and I'm not about to start again for someone as insignificant as you.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • A S,

    Everyone's allowed an opinion, but not all opinions are equally grounded in knowledge, and I don't think it's a great sin to point that out.

    Indeed, Stephen, not all opinions are equally grounded in knowledge. The difficulty is often in figuring out who actually knows what they're talking about when opinions and belief can equally masquerade as knowledge. As PAS doesn't tend to have too many AOS members posting, we will probably remain in the dark for quite some time as to how the wrong person ended up dead.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2007 • 269 posts Report Reply

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