Everyone's allowed an opinion, but not all opinions are equally grounded in knowledge, and I don't think it's a great sin to point that out.

Indeed, Stephen, not all opinions are equally grounded in knowledge. The difficulty is often in figuring out who actually knows what they're talking about when…

. . . my limited but deep zone of expertise . . .

Heh!
Listen insect, I haven't felt the need to think since I successfully defended my Phd thesis, and I'm not about to start again for someone as insignificant as you.

it might make for a pretty boring discussion if no-one is allowed to have an opinion.

Sure, but equally, in the event that you trespass on my limited but deep zone of expertise, I reserve the right to mock you mercilessly.

Everyone's allowed an opinion, but not all opinions are…

no-one is allowed to have an opinion.

What ! Is somebody wrong on the internet?

The shots hit close enough that he got shrapnel wounds. And since it sounds like the target had suddenly starting moving in a different direction, following Mr Neville's braking, getting that close isn't bad going.

I hadn't seen any info about where the 5 or so shots that Police fired…

This ... is inexcusable and for Police Minister Judith Collins it ought to be the last straw.

Three armed coppers all shooting at once was like something out…

Supposition of course.

The only thing you've said that wasn't.

Check this video out. I suspect that given they are able to stop the traffic it may have been possible to lay them out across the whole road here. They obviously knew the guy was heading this way. Note the number of cop cars at…

Too lazy to check if it's been mentioned already, but the thing that's bothered me is that I took till yesterday to officially take statements from the officers.

That's not that unusual. A formal, recorded statement is often not taken until two or three days after the event, and in…

Which is a bit of an odd thing to think.

Not really. Wrong guy, right reason is just lamentable. Right guy, wrong reason, is sinister.

Aside from that, pending further revelations I have less…

You can't drop spikes in traffic, you won't stop one car, you'll stop twelve innocent cars, and they're going to pile into each other or crash trying to avoid it. You'll hurt someone.

Not to mention getting hurt yourself, running across the motorway.

I'd rate the option that the cops…

1. Where were the road spikes?

You can only use road spikes to stop a vehicle if you can block the whole road, and if you can drop the spikes before the vehicle arrives.

I presume when the police were pursuing the car, it was in amongst traffic. You can't…

Because there's no precedent for this type of incident, but the IPCA is still expected to make the decision on how to deal with it. I suggest that a court should be the body that decides if the accidental killing of a bystander is a breach or not.

Just because…

And recent events seem to suggest she's right-

We'll have to see. I don't even know for certain if the shooter was AOS. Our police are armed, they just don't carry the gun on their person. It's stashed in their car, usually.

A weapon can be pretty much anything other than your bare hands. I think even those can be considered a weapon if it's evident the person has training, like they are a professional boxer or something.

I'd hate to hear that our cops were capping everyone who came at them with a screwdriver – that might seem to be a time when you should attempt a non-lethal shot first (after one in the air to show the weapon is loaded and operational), but I've never had someone come at me with a screwdriver to know what it feels like, nor have I ever shot someone in the leg or arm to know how practical it is to attempt. Although I hate the idea, tazers do seem to be a better solution, if protecting our police from personal harm is any kind of priority. It certainly is for them. But it does seem to me that NZ police have been up against screwdrivers forever, and drugged nutters (in their most common form, drunks), and they didn't need tazers before.

There are no tunnels in Auckland so car parks might be the only place the guy could have disappeared into.

It was a hot day. He could have hidden under just about any tree and not been visible to infrared. If the police lost sight of him, he could have…

answer: no (surprise!)

In Israel, detachment from reality is now the norm

Israeli society was always introverted but these days it reminds me more than ever of the Unionists in Northern Ireland in the late 1960s or the Lebanese Christians in the 1970s. Like Israel,…

I liked listening to him as well on Bfm.

memo to RNZ: Most people are not interested in listening to middle aged men wallowing through the nostalgic deitritus of their salad days.

I cannot stress enough how strongly I agree with this.

I thought that Noelle was great value though – but I turned it off when she wrapped…

Radio Live is really good sometimes

Graeme Hill's show on Sunday afternoons is quality. I don't mind Willie & JT; they school the idiots as often as not, and bring some real information from time to time. However... there are some complete lunatics hosting shows, whose contribution to the public debate…

However, due to the God awful…

Giles someone.

Timothy Giles. Bloody great show.

Full disclosure: Timothy is one of my favourite ever drinking mates.

Not that I dislike variety, but you have to wonder just how much value deregulation and "competition" have given us.

Wash your mouth out! The market is our saviour and brings only sunshine, butterflies and ponies!

And now to return you to our non-parallel-universe's programming...

Gordon Dryden did it 30 years ago. Unfortunately, things have slipped a bit since.

Like so much else, it's the curse of a small country. Only so many ears to go around, and everyone's done the same marketing course. Not that I dislike variety, but you have to wonder just…

I kind of feel bad for saying that now. There's no reason a radio programme where people call in to share their experiences can't be good. Gordon Dryden did it 30 years ago. Unfortunately, things have slipped a bit since.

Now that you say that, one of the things Justine…

Radio Live is really good sometimes

Yep its the only radio station Ive heard Chris Knox on recently.
The Xmas show was fun.

In Hell.

Relief.

But are you doing talkback?

In Hell.

Why wait for something like this to happen?

Radio Live is really good sometimes. 5-6pm, Saturdays for example ...

It seems obvious that a clear picture of events needs to be established by the investigations before anybody talks about a prosecution.

What! A careful consideration of evidence before coming to a conclusion? Are you mad!

Well that exchange just about sums it up for me.

And the New Zealand…

Pretty much the same principle though.

You might be right.

I'm sure they've killed a bunch with car crashes and such, but yes it's unprecedented to shoot Innocent Bystander to death while trying to shoot Criminal Nutter.

Pretty much the same principle though.

Regarding Cactus Kate's comments, one has to say... wow.

I can't say I know anything about her, and hadn't visited her site before clicking through your link – but it seems she probably has a similar audience to DPF's, my solution to the problem is to use RSS and never…

What, for police killing someone as they were doing their job? Don't tell me that has no precedence.

I'm sure they've killed a bunch with car crashes and such, but yes it's unprecedented to shoot Innocent Bystander to death while trying to shoot Criminal Nutter.

And for some strange reason…

If you think you're going to get universal (dis)agreement on anythingwith this crowd, you're out of your mind. ;)

Yes, I made the mistake of linking to something I thought everybody would agree with the other week. Nobody did.

Regarding Cactus Kate's comments, one has to say... wow.

Well, if we're after something everyone can disagree with, Danyl links to Cactus Kate's thoughts on the matter.

If you think you're going to get universal (dis)agreement on anything with this crowd, you're out of your mind. ;)

Incidentally "thoughts" is pretty generous of you.

Because there's no precedent for this type of incident,

What, for police killing someone as they were doing their job? Don't tell me that has no precedence.

I like the comment from Lucy, though:

“assuming of course the Policeman who shot him was a man”

Maybe she meant to write ‘white man’ here? The rest of it is so goddamn crazy its hard to tell.

What he quotes is not the half of it.

Why?

Because there's no precedent for this type of incident, but the IPCA is still expected to make the decision on how to deal with it. I suggest that a court should be the body that decides if the accidental killing of a bystander is a breach or not.

Whatever…

But if there's any doubt, it has to be up to the courts to decide.

Why?

I would like to see the law applied as it has been written for this circumstance. If the due process is IPCA then follow that. If it is straight to the courts follow that.…

I want to see her out there, in live, grainy TV feed, springing on sullen youths from moving police cars!

My solution involved cloning and jetpacks, but hey, we'll reach for the dream one step at a time.

But I thought the election of a National government would instantly solve the Youth Crime OMGWTF Epidemic!

You do realise Paula Bennett can't be everywhere at once?

Yes, well played, Sir.

I think this is a golden media branding opportunity for National. CSI: Paula Bennett! Police Paula Bennett 10-7! I…

No, I'm pointing out the inevitable consequences of a feeling of unaccountability: systematic abuse of power and apparent criminal behaviour.

Whilst ignoring the consequences of a feeling of over-accountability – total inaction, and letting criminals get away with their behavior. There is naturally a balance to be struck but I…

Consider, before you starting jumping up and down and demanding that the police be held accountable, how rare police shootings are in this country

I know how rare they are. And I want them to stay that way.

Beyond that, "I don't do it very often, therefore you should ignore…

Damn, looks like I was caught between versions there...

Oh yeah: sorry. Versioning is my special power ...

Name and law is window-dressing; what matters is practice.

Lowell Goddard J. is hardly window-dressing.

And there its not so good. Up until a few years ago, the (not-yet-independent) PCA got the police to do its investigations. This had the predictable result: "nothing to see here, move along".

Duh, which…

But I thought the election of a National government would instantly solve the Youth Crime OMGWTF Epidemic!

You do realise Paula Bennett can't be everywhere at once?

Very good!

Are you tryingto come up with inappropriately offensive comparisons for this incident?

No, I'm pointing out the inevitable consequences of a feeling of unaccountability: systematic abuse of power and apparent criminal behaviour.

If you'd prefer, I can quote Acton instead. But Rickards is a more concrete and timely reminder.

Ask Antonie "Samurai Sword" Dixon how sympathetic the courts are to a "The upside-down b made me do it, y'ronner" defence.

and it would seem "I was sexually abused"

According to Granny he's now appealing for a third trial for the murders. I mean, seriously, how many times must…

I'm sure you're right. Whatever the charge is, the important part to me is that justice is seen to be done, by being done in open court – not in a backroom.

I don't think any decision will be made in a back room. There will be a police investigation…

Good. I want them to. better that than a police force which feels itself legally unaccountable for its actions.

I want them to be aware of it, and they are, but I don't want it to be the thing at the forefront of their thoughts when they're deciding whether or…

Good. I want them to. better that than a police force which feels itself legally unaccountable for its actions. That way lies Clint Rickards...

I understand the point about police accountability.

But Rickards? Are you trying to come up with offensively inappropriate comparisons for this incident?

We really do need to get this country beyond the belief that the Police police themselves. They don't, any longer. The Independent Police Conduct Authority is, in name and in law, independent of the Police.

Name and law is window-dressing; what matters is practice. And there its not so good.…

I thought I'd get bitter on them when I first saw them, too. But now they've been in place for a while I think they're brilliant. No substitute for bigger roads, but absolutely a complementary device, for improving traffic flows and safety.

And backed up by some pretty impressive improvements…

But I thought the election of a National government would instantly solve the Youth Crime OMGWTF Epidemic!

You do realise Paula Bennett can't be everywhere at once?

Are there still (or are there no longer) concerns about the independance of the Authority?

I'm sure there are still concerns, if only because it's one statutory body investigating another, but the people who have those particular concerns also tend to be concerned about whether or not their tin foil…

Vaguely off-topic, but interesting in a "what the hell...?" kind of way

But I thought the election of a National government would instantly solve the Youth Crime OMGWTF Epidemic!

As I recall, the change was made precisely because the PCA…

A possible final vindication for on-ramp signals?

No, because they are not installed or enabled east-bound on the North-Western yet. And besides, they are an unforgivable abomination of a device that should be rended from this earth with extreme violence.

I can't find the reference, but I'm positive that beyond…

Not the sharpest tool in the box, the alleged offender stole from the same dairy twice within 6 minutes, before retiring home for a refreshing shower (hence…

An apparent lack of care cost an innocent person their life in this instance. So it looks like we must be fucked whatever happens.

At the risk of stating the obvious, it might be helpful to repeat what I said at the bottom of the post: the overwhelmingly culpable actor…

If the IPCA decides that, as best as possible, the shooter fulfilled their legal and professional duties, then that should be acceptable to the public at large.

This is an unprecented circumstance, I'm not sure that they're qualified to make the decision – unless the facts make it incredibly bleeding…

The Independent Police Conduct Authority Amendment Act 2007 amends the Act that was previously called the Police Complaints Authority Act 1988, including the title (which is a little Orwellian, to me).

Yeah, it occurred to me just after I posted that maybe they'd just renamed and altered the PCA Act.…

Independent Police Conduct Authority Act 1988 (yeah, 1988, what the hell happened to the intervening 20 years?

The Independent Police Conduct Authority Amendment Act 2007 amends the Act that was previously called the Police Complaints Authority Act 1988, including the title (which is a little Orwellian, to me).

I'm also wondering how the police so succesfully diverted traffic that there was only one other car involved, by the end (apart from the truck and the van).

They didn't. The police are asking for a driver who passed in the outside lane moments before shots were fired.

if the likely outcome is death, I think "kill" is a pretty valid word, and certainly preferable to euphemisms that allow us to diminish the reality.

The point is that the Police do not shoot to kill – they shoot to incapacitate. The nature of the act is such that…

But I don't think the principle of Nuremberg applies, since it was restricted to "war crimes", as I recall.

You may be right, but that doesn't mean it can't be used as a shorthand for "just following orders won't protect you from the consequences of what you've done." Certainly it's…

Wrong. Cause and intent, not synonymous.

What happened to road spikes?

They're not long enough to deploy across the motorway (at that point it's four lanes wide, plus shoulder), as I understand it. Plus, in a "hot pursuit" situation, it then requires the following cops to break off until the spikes can be pulled.

Oh, and…

I'm also wondering how the police so succesfully diverted traffic that there was only one other car involved, by the end (apart from the truck and the van). Miracle there were no horrible crashes. Or were there?

That was one of my questions too, along with:
'What happened to road…

It should be possible, in reasonable discourse, to make mention of the outcome of the Nuremburg Trials without it immediately being taken as comparing whatever is under discussion with the actions of the Nazis. Or am I alone in that belief?

Nope, I agree. But I don't think the principle…

I'm also wondering how the police so succesfully diverted traffic that there was only one other car involved, by the end (apart from the truck and the van).

A possible final vindication for on-ramp signals?

Do we hold surgeons accountable? The stakes are the same (life or death) and they kill a lot more people than the police do.

The answer is that sometimes we do and sometimes we don't, depending on the…

Whatever the charge is, the important part to me is that justice is seen to be done, by being done in open court – not in a backroom.

We really do need to get this country beyond the belief that the Police police themselves. They don't, any longer. The __…

It should be possible, in reasonable discourse, to make mention of the outcome of the Nuremburg Trials without it immediately being taken as comparing whatever is under discussion with the actions of the Nazis. Or am I alone in that belief?

Well we do actually agree on that point.

It should be possible, in…

Incredibly, he has an ally, former Red Squad leader and NZ First MP, Ross Meurant. Meurant has a reputation of talking stupidly first and then making it worse later.

McDonald was finally arrested, not shot dead. How were police able to do that? If lethal force was not used to "take him down" (euphemisms be damned – we mean kill him), then to what extent was it the best – or only – option?

There is no lesser option…

stopping to ask three separate similar baby-carrying cars if I could help, by picking up something from…

I have been wondering what kind of media clamour we'd be hearing now if the AOS officer hadn't taken that shot and Richard Neville had been shot in the back of the head.

The reaction of people like Jim Hopkins to the police caution in the Navtej Singh case (he…

McDonald was finally arrested, not shot dead. How were police able to do that? If lethal force was not used to "take him down" (euphemisms be damned – we mean kill him), then to what extent was it the best -…

And it is a Godwin

No, it's not. Godwin's law says that the longer an internet argument runs for, the closer to 1 grow the chances of one party comparing the other party to Hitler or the Nazis. The corollary is that the party doing the comparison has lost the…

Doubts and excessive consideration for their own well-being could cost an innocent person their life.

I'll have to differ with you on Abbott, but I have been wondering what kind of media clamour we'd be hearing now if the AOS officer hadn't taken that shot and Richard Neville had been…

There was one "eye witness" report in the paper of the offender barrelling through a roadblock while 2 police officers "chatted".

Sort of Dukes of Hazard / Gumball Rallyesque was the picture painted.

I sincerely hope that wasn't the case

Just reading your description of what the eye witness said…

it's the courts job to decide if it was a mistake, or if it was manslaighter.

It's almost certain that it won't be manslaughter. They don't usually charge hunters who kill another person with manslaughter, and that's a far less defensible act than this. It'll be careless use of a…

He carries it in his hands any time he's doing his job.

For infantrymen. Cooks, signallers and drivers, to name a few military trades, would be rather impaired in their job if they had a bloody great gun to hold while peeling spuds or driving a truck.

What would happen if I…

Hardly. Merely a legal observation, pointing at the most powerful and far-reaching precedent.

Well it didn't reach much further than the vanquished. And it is a Godwin, although mentioning that is not a particularly sound refutation of anything. The lessons of WW2 are not less relevant just because they get…

Why is it that all discussion using a computer as a medium has to follow rules invented by some geek in 1989?

Was that a Godwin?

Hardly. Merely a legal observation, pointing at the most powerful and far-reaching precedent.

There have been precious few cases of civilians shooting other civilians in defence of themselves or another, and the most recent case did not result in a prosecution for attempted murder, some form of aggravated assault, or even careless use of a firearm.

In defence of themselves or another is…

That does not sound like a random, miscalculated shot to me.

I have to say that was my initial thought as well but Naitako was still in the Van

From the photos, the cab of Naitoko's van is directly behind (and I mean directly behind) where they describe McDonald as…

If an armed intruder breaks into your P-lab and tries to steal your crack, can you shoot them and claim defense of property?

No. To quote s53 of the Crimes Act 1961:
__Every one in peaceable possession of any movable thing under a claim of right, and every one acting…

I/S is demanding a prosecution of the officer who fired, but if he was acting on an express order, who's culpable?

I believe that question was answered rather decisively at Nuremberg.

Was that a Godwin? Perhaps we could establish that the ultimate judgement lay with the officer pulling the trigger…

One of the Kiwiblog regulars, Gooner, is an ex-cop and he has an interesting post on the issue.

It was interesting. The ex-army guy who then ragged him out reminds me so much of my flatmate in ozzie who had been trained in the army for several years. He had…

I/S is demanding a prosecution of the officer who fired, but if he was acting on an express order, who's culpable?

I believe that question was answered rather decisively at Nuremberg.

But we should certainly look at the procedures and orders given as well.

If they were shooting a the offender on teh back of the truck, how the hell does the guy in the van get a bullet in the chest?

By being directly behind the spot where the offender on the back of the truck was meant to have been? That's the…

So I'm assuming the majority of the membership likes the way he operates.

Which suggests something about police recruitment practices and culture.

I get the feeling she is trying to make herself look good in the job, being a newbie and all, by taking an active role in getting the PM to set up an investigation and offering compo.

None of these things are bad but she…

And I think I/S is probably right about this – anyone else would be put through the process of going to court – the police would say "let's just let the courts decide" so to do anything different in this situation is hypocritical.

The police have never "let the courts…

the problem is that Police officers actually need serious, reality-based advocacy and O'Connor isn't bringing the A-game, IMO.

You're entirely right, Craig. And, as you noted above, Police officers keep on re-electing him. (Google tells me he's the longest serving Pres in the Association's history.) So I'm assuming the majority…

That does not sound like a random, miscalculated shot to me.

Sounds like the shooter got the wrong guy.
If they were shooting a the offender on teh back of the truck, how the hell does the guy in…

How much would it change things if the police shooter had received the order to take down the fugitive immediately? Is it plausible that's what happened?

I/S is demanding a prosecution of the officer who fired, but if he was acting on an express order, who's culpable?

"Just following orders"…

I/S is demanding a prosecution of the officer who fired, but if he was acting on an express order, who's culpable?

The officer who fired still is.

But his commanding officer has to be open for action as well (even if it's limited to an employment matter).

And I think…

It seems they only shot at the guy when he jumped on the back of the (slow moving, nearly stationary) truck and pushed…

It seems obvious that a clear picture of events needs to be established by the investigations before anybody talks about a prosecution.

What! A careful consideration of evidence before coming to a conclusion? Are you mad!

Apologies, I didn't mean to offend you.

Oh, it takes a lot more than that to actually offend me ;-)

I don't regard it as a defence, and I do not think the courts should either.

Ask Antonie "Samurai Sword" Dixon how sympathetic the courts are to a "The upside-down b made me do it, y'ronner" defence. According to Granny he's now appealing for a third trial for the murders. I…

I've somehow conditioned myself to tune out O'Connor and McVicar.

Very smart, the problem is that Police officers actually need serious, reality-based advocacy and O'Connor isn't bringing the A-game, IMO.

In this case, it looks like at least one of the officers involved wasn't totally conversant with the "beyond his target" part of the equation. Especially when shooting at someone on a moving vehicle, this shouldn't be an afterthought.

How much would it change things if the police shooter had…

[Re: P] I don't regard it as a defence, and I do not think the courts should either.

Quite right, the thing about losing your shit after taking P is that first you have to take P.

I think the penalties should be higher, if anything.

(Which might only mean…

But I'm so damn sick of listening to O'Connor going off like an unmedicated Garth McVicar.

I've somehow conditioned myself to tune out O'Connor and McVicar. (It really lowers the blood pressure.)

But, and this is what really annoys me, why do journalists have to seek comment from Mike Sabin…

emergency services sometime need to drive really, really fast.

30km/h over the limit for ambulances dealing with a life-threatening callout. less for fire engines – 75km/h in a 50 limit or 105 km/h on the highway.

Not really very fast at all.

I followed the link and it required login. So maybe he's done it universally? Or some accident has happened.

I've been having intermittent problems posting comments on a number of Word Press based blogs over the last couple of weeks. So, I doubt it's about you Peter.

Ok – I thought this guy had fired randomly when the police had cornered him and asked him to drop his gun several times (before the motorway ordeal).

Possibly. However, it may not have been the AOS chasing him at that point. The AOS don't just miraculously appear when needed,…

why did the police not take down the offender earlier when they had the chance?

There was one "eye witness" report in the paper of the offender barrelling through a roadblock while 2 police officers "chatted".

Sort of Dukes of Hazard / Gumball Rallyesque was the picture painted.

I sincerely…

There's no need to be a smartarse about it.

Apologies, I didn't mean to offend you.

Alcohol might still account for many more incidents of violence, but it's P that produces the real showstoppers.

I guess the difference being that someone having a P-fueled psychotic break is not 'impaired', indeed they are somewhat 'enhanced', which makes crazy twice as bad. And , my experience is that…

The question really seems to be about a "clear line of fire" type decision. The aerial photos look like the AOS members shot at the truck with the van directly on the other side – questions about movement of the different vehicles etc make it all much more difficult than…

The driver kept not moving up as space cleared in front

I don't know how extreme this case was, but when stuck in a long queue of traffic, everyone keeping their motor running to creep forward another couple of metres now and then is…

They won't shoot an armed offender just because they have a gun. They'll only do it once he presents the weapon and is looking likely to use it on someone. Maybe this is the first time he actually pointed the gun at someone and looked likely to use it.

It…

As a matter of interest, I copied my comments above to Poneke and 30 minutes later I was locked – permanently, I hope – out of his blog.

I followed the link and it required login. So maybe he's done it universally? Or some accident has happened.

why did the police not take down the offender earlier when they had the chance?

They won't shoot an armed offender just because they have a gun. They'll only do it once he presents the weapon and is looking likely to use it on someone. Maybe this is the first…

Having fired a few rounds from a police-esque Glock 9mm (at a pistol club as part of a stag do... long story),

They've moved on from shotguns in these delicate matters then?

O'Connor needs to shut up for a while.

No, O'Connor needs to shut the fuck up permanently after the Police Association have decided to hire/elect a public face that isn't a weeping credibility leak.

Yes, I do realise the Police Association is, in effect, a trade union and as such…

Having fired a few rounds from a police-esque Glock 9mm... I have absolutely no surprise that the police failed to hit the suspect standing on an erratically moving flatbed truck.

They were armed offender squad officers firing M4 assault rifles, not handguns, according to the Herald. From the pictures, it…

Russell, have you stopped proof-reading?

There's no need to be a smartarse about it. I was under pressure of time this morning, writing fast so I could get out and record a voice track for the TV show. I think I've corrected the typos now I'm back in the house,…

I read some place that police here use the hollow nose bullets (banned from warfare by Geneva convention, but approved for police use everywhere) that don't tend to ricochet (that's exactly why they use them, so as to avoid "collateral" damage).

The big advantage of a hollow-point round is that…

why did the police not take down the offender earlier when they had the chance?

Their pies were too hot and they didn't want to burn their tongues by eating them too fast?

We don't know why, but you can bet they tried to stop him, and they tried to…

It seems that…

It's damn hard to proofread your own writing, well I find it so, since I always read what I meant to write not what I actually wrote :).

Known phenomenon. Scientifically proven and all.

I really feel for the cop who pulled the trigger here, but I don't know what else he or she could have done .

And meurant? Why does anyone listen to…

have you stopped proof-reading?

His proofreader is probably on a beach somewhere. It's damn hard to proofread your own writing, well I find it so, since I always read what I meant to write not what I actually wrote :).

I did see a bit of TV news and I am really appalled at how members of the public treat this things…

It's hard enough to hit a stationary paper…

Re Poneke. He says: The job of police marksmen is to shoot the bad guy holding the gun to the head of the hostage, not to shoot the innocent, hard-working 17-year-old courier van driver being held hostage with the bad guy’s gun to his head.

The job…

And yes, that was one scary day of traffic – I was headed up Albert Street then along K Road and New North through to Morningside. It was a thrill at first to be cycling through gridlock, but you rapidly…

But yeah, bring on the results of the investigation.…