Public Address | Public Address Radio | 180 Seconds with Craig Ranapia - 12 December https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195222#post195222 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195222#post195222 Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:08:56 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195149#post195149 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195149#post195149 Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:13:01 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195147#post195147 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195147#post195147 At the bottom of every post, there's a wee Report button. If you think anyone — myself included — has treated you in a manner that doesn't meed PAS's terms and conditions, you're welcome to utilize it.

Otherwise, I intend to ignore you and encourage everyone else to do the…

]]> Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:07:59 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195145#post195145 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195145#post195145 Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:04:09 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195143#post195143 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195143#post195143 Christiaan:

Against my every instinct, I've been civil to you, while wanting to poke my eyes out with tiny toothpicks to distract myself from the acid reflux burning through my internal organs, Alien-style.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree and you need to move on, because your…

]]> Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:58:57 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195142#post195142 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195142#post195142 I haven’t been called on anything! You’ve been called on an embarrassing diatribe trying to redefine the meaning of ‘alleged’ and now you’re clearly irked by it.

Either put up or shut up. Please explain how the above link applies to what I’ve said.

]]> Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:56:39 +1300 Boganette https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195128#post195128 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195128#post195128 Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:35:32 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195123#post195123 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195123#post195123 Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:22:00 +1300 Boganette https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195112#post195112 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195112#post195112 Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:02:40 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195106#post195106 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195106#post195106 Christiaan – it might help you to read this link to see why this is a sensitive topic to people http://tinyurl.com/24h8nlx
Thanks for the link. It's a nice insight. However I'm offended if you think it applies to what I've said. What I've said above doesn't fit any of the…

]]> Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:36:42 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195104#post195104 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195104#post195104 Frankly, I've done you the courtesy of reviewing the audio, in a good faith effort to see if you actually have cause for complaint. (I'd be the last person to claim I've never gotten anything wrong, tonally or in matter of fact.) Honestly, I don't and being obnoxiously man-splained and… ]]> Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:35:57 +1300 Boganette https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195094#post195094 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195094#post195094 http://tinyurl.com/24h8nlx ]]> Thu, 16 Dec 2010 09:45:11 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195090#post195090 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195090#post195090 In any case I don’t think it’s particularly wise to comment on this topic with addressing the political gorilla in the room.

Christiaan: I'll say this one more time — there are at least two other threads here where you can address that gorilla to your heart's content. I chose…

]]> Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:21:52 +1300 Boganette https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195089#post195089 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195089#post195089 Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:16:30 +1300 Steve Parks https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195088#post195088 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195088#post195088 I certainly oppose his extradition to the USA.

(And oops, I meant "deferential", before.)

]]> Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:13:18 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195086#post195086 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195086#post195086 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8202745/WikiLeaks-Swedish-government-hid-anti-terror-operations-with-America-from-Parliament.html ]]> Thu, 16 Dec 2010 06:59:17 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195076#post195076 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195076#post195076 Anyway, while I had question marks over the initial decision not to grant bail, I wouldn’t go so far as to say he hasn’t been given a “fair trail”, so far.
That Interpol was even involved was strange, considering he's not even been charged with anything. They'd already told him…

]]> Thu, 16 Dec 2010 03:56:27 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195074#post195074 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195074#post195074 Maybe, but all you had to say was that you think people need to be careful with their language when discussing these issues. It seems to me you went a bit further & your case started out more confrontational than necessary: “practice what you preach” always sounds didactic.
Fair point. Not…

]]> Thu, 16 Dec 2010 03:21:46 +1300 Steve Parks https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195073#post195073 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195073#post195073 there’s always the potential outcome of these alleged crimes that don’t involve lying: they got bad advice, the prosecutors got it wrong, etc.

Which is a good point: we shouldn’t assume that they are liars even if it goes to trial and he’s found not guilty.

Going back to the…

]]> Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:12:49 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195069#post195069 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195069#post195069 And of course then there's always the potential outcome of these alleged crimes that don't involve lying: they got bad advice, the prosecutors got it wrong, etc. Cripes he hasn't even been charged with anything yet.

Far too nuanced for you two I suspect.

]]> Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:29:32 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195066#post195066 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195066#post195066 Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:54:55 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195065#post195065 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195065#post195065 Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:51:19 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195064#post195064 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195064#post195064 Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:45:20 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195060#post195060 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=195060#post195060 Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:56:56 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194962#post194962 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194962#post194962 Wed, 15 Dec 2010 07:00:25 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194957#post194957 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194957#post194957 Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:32:11 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194875#post194875 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194875#post194875 They're cheap. About as cheap as they come. Calling people "victims" in a court case, of any kind, before that court case has run it's course is not cheap however.

To voice concern that WikiLeaks' enemies are using these charges, whether true or not, 'for political agendas that have nothing…

]]> Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:23:43 +1300 Boganette https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194865#post194865 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194865#post194865 "Spare me your cheap semantics" – Pretty hypocritical there Christiaan!

"Have you stopped to think for a minute that these charges might be true AND that the U.S. (and other powers) might seek to take advantage of them for political purposes?" – yep, numerous times. And I managed to do…

]]> Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:55:32 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194862#post194862 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194862#post194862 Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:46:40 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194859#post194859 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194859#post194859 Spare me your cheap semantics. Tagging "allegedly" onto to your own accusations doesn't relinquish your responsibility for them.

You say he isn't getting a fair trial and claim the "U.S. blathers about indicting him so they can kidnap and torture him" – and then claim you're not into into conspiracy…

]]> Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:34:21 +1300 Boganette https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194858#post194858 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194858#post194858 Christiaan – again, I said allegedly. Allegedly you hold those views. So what's your problem?

This started from you saying that Craig implied Assange is a rapist when he didn't. And that you feel these women must be called 'alleged' victims at every instance. You say he isn't getting a…

]]> Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:13:10 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194856#post194856 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194856#post194856 http://twitter.com/naomiaklein/status/12474684276736000 ]]> Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:02:17 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194853#post194853 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194853#post194853 Yes, I'm sure you're well positioned to lecture me about taking ownership of my words... while you shove them down my throat.

So what do you make of these words of mine? "I don't see these rape allegations as anything more than coincidental."

]]> Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:49:53 +1300 Boganette https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194850#post194850 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194850#post194850 Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:44:31 +1300 Boganette https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194849#post194849 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194849#post194849 Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:43:04 +1300 Boganette https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194848#post194848 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194848#post194848 I'm clearly just a lying weasel misogynous scumbag

You're the one labelling yourself not me.

]]> Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:40:41 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194847#post194847 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194847#post194847 http://www.womenagainstrape.net/comment/reply/410#comment-form They're her words not mine. ]]> Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:39:10 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194846#post194846 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194846#post194846 Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:31:04 +1300 Boganette https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194845#post194845 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194845#post194845 As Katrin Axelsson points out 'there is a long tradition of the use of rape and sexual assault for political agendas that have nothing to do with women's safety.

You don't think it's worth maybe waiting until after the court case before you imply these women are lying and it's…

]]> Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:02:12 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194828#post194828 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194828#post194828 Weird how people trot out the 'you don't know him/you weren't there/he's innocent' lines about Assange but feel they can presume the ALLEGED rape victims are lying whores (despite not knowing them or being there).
Even weirder how people can project these arguments onto others when they said nothing of…

]]> Tue, 14 Dec 2010 07:40:41 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194827#post194827 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194827#post194827 I don’t actually believe you because five weasel words were followed by several hundred of textbook passive-aggressive rape bingo.
That makes two of us then. I don't believe your hollow introduction because it was followed by a classic Freudian slip.

1) 'You don’t qualify every reference to the complainants with…

]]> Tue, 14 Dec 2010 07:38:29 +1300 Boganette https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194824#post194824 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194824#post194824 Weird how people trot out the 'you don't know him/you weren't there/he's innocent' lines about Assange but feel they can presume the ALLEGED rape victims are lying whores (despite not knowing them or being there).

Why is it not enough to clearly state that someone is entitled to the presumption…

]]> Tue, 14 Dec 2010 07:34:21 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194821#post194821 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194821#post194821 Lovely. I may be many things Craig but I'm not a liar so you can stick that blithe comment where the sun don't shine.

Thanks for the interest in the contents of my anus, but I don't actually believe you because five weasel words were followed by several hundred of…

]]> Tue, 14 Dec 2010 06:02:36 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194820#post194820 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194820#post194820 You know something, Christiaan, I don't believe the first clause

Lovely. I may be many things Craig but I'm not a liar so you can stick that blithe comment where the sun don't shine.

It seems I'm being condemned for not talking about what you think I should, go on…

]]> Tue, 14 Dec 2010 05:08:32 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194806#post194806 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194806#post194806 I agree with your sentiment Craig but you should practice what you preach.

You know something, Christiaan, I don't believe the first clause and I'd suggest you follow your own advice: It seems I'm being condemned for not talking about what you think I should, go on to attack me…

]]> Mon, 13 Dec 2010 22:48:35 +1300 Christiaan https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194794#post194794 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194794#post194794 I agree with your sentiment Craig but you should practice what you preach. First you point out that Assange is entitled to the presumption of innocence but then throw this out the window and go on to call them rape victims instead of alleged rape victims.

Secondly, it seems that…

]]> Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:42:43 +1300 Boganette https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194632#post194632 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194632#post194632 Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:48:38 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194625#post194625 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194625#post194625 Draco:

Here's how it works — like it says on the tin, I get 180 seconds (more or less) and operate on the assumption that listeners are fairly intelligent. Didn't really have the time for a detailed break down of Swedish legislation and jurisprudence around sexual assault.

But let's just…

]]> Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:36:46 +1300 Nik C https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194621#post194621 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194621#post194621 How do you know that, Draco? Were you in the room with them?

If they withdrew consent at any point, then it was rape.

]]> Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:26:08 +1300 Draco T Bastard https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194618#post194618 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194618#post194618 Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:21:43 +1300 Public Address Radio https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194601#post194601 https://publicaddress.net/system/public-address-radio/180-seconds-with-craig-ranapia-12-december/?p=194601#post194601 Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:48:11 +1300