Posts by Steve Parks
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Hard News: Dirty Politics, in reply to Alfie,
I believe it was actually Slater and Ede.
Oops, sorry, yes Slater and Ede, as per the quotation I used!
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Rich,
Yeah that was my thinking too. If you go out and accidentally leave the door wide open and someone walks in to your house and steels stuff, they haven't broken into your house, but they've still committed a crime. I'm not sure how well that matches (in terms of the law) with the apparent actions of Slater and Jordan.
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Hard News: Dirty Politics, in reply to Michael Meyers,
The Labour party might not like it but it was open. I’d be surprised if this would stand up in court and it was arguably in the public interest too (as Whale Oil said “can’t secure a web site, not fit for government”). If this does stand up in court as “unauthorised access”, I’d be worried about what else might be hacking.
Michael, Labour aren’t saying the site was hacked. Here is the claim…
Author Nicky Hager claims in his book Dirty Politics that Key adviser Jason Ede and Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater conspired over information relating to Labour Party membership details, including credit card records, after a security flaw was discovered on the Labour website in 2011.
An analogy would be the difference between breaking into someone’s house (“hacking”), and walking into someone’s house because they accidentally left the door open.
And illegal or not, John Key denied this had anything to do with the National party. This has proven to be false.
Oh, and if all they had wanted to do was point out that Labour hadn't properly secured their website, then they could have just, you know, done that.
Source for quote: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10391270/National-hacked-us-Cunliffe
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Busytown: School bully, in reply to Hebe,
Yes. All of it.
I agree. This is an important article.
But still, I especially like:
Ask how these policies think of schools: as a key part of the democratic social fabric that binds us together, community spaces, collectively funded, open to all and open to inspection? As places where every one of us can learn not only what we’re capable of for ourselves, but how to play our part of the bigger story?
Or as vectors to individual advancement, easily consolidated and trimmed like so many factories, judged by their balance sheet, with “failing” schools – or students – handily bundled together for sale to the lowest tender?
[I haven’t caught up on the comments yet, I’m just posting this as a vote of support for Jolisa’s post.]
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Hard News: Making it up on smacking, in reply to nzlemming,
Actually, I think that’s exactly why they get it, to prevent them from committing further crimes. Not given lightly, but there are some who just continue to offend and are deemed a risk to public safety.
Yeah but just “we think they might” commit a crime isn’t enough. The court has to be satisfied that they’d be likely to commit particular crimes. So you’re making the basically the point I was getting at, but was too lazy to expand upon.
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Hard News: Making it up on smacking, in reply to Lilith __,
I take issue with the whole “corruption of language” thing. Looked at another way, Latin outside of the church evolved and blossomed into the Romance languages. And (indirectly) gave us the richness and depth of vocabulary that English now has.
Yes, and he did seem to have a very judgey-pants way of expressing it, too.Classical “Roman” breaking down to mere vulgar Latin. And as an aside, as someone who knows Latin, Finlayson should know better than to fret about splitting infinitives in English.
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Hard News: Making it up on smacking, in reply to Moz,
Apparently I’m way out on the fringe thinking that permanently imprisoning someone because we think they might commit crimes if released is an awful thing to do.
I could be wrong, but I don't think people get PD just because it is considered that they might commit a crime upon release.
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Hard News: Narcissists and bullies, in reply to Martin Brown,
That FB Roast Busters page which was up again is now down thanks to a call from a Kiwi director in LA to another Kiwi, Mark D’Arcy, who is now the Global CD of Facebook. He had it disabled immediately.
It’s back up, with the message “They shut us down a second time.”
And: "Facebook, fuck you. We didn't violate any of your rules on our second page. Happy Roasting."
Maybe tell that to Mark D'Arcy.
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Hard News: Narcissists and bullies, in reply to Lucy Telfar Barnard,
First, how do I categorise what’s wrong with the page? It’s not harassing me personally, nor anyone I personally know. It’s not spam or a scam. It’s not duplicated or miscategorised. I don’t want to report a post rather than an entire page. That leaves “I just don’t like it” or “I don’t think it should be on facebook”. But I have to pick one of these, not both. I’m going with “I don’t think it should be on facebook”,
I went with the same option. Got a quick “not taken down, doesn’t violate community standards” response. So I chose to send feedback and wrote this very quickly. (Not eloquent or anything but worth a try.)
Me to Facebook:
“This is the same page from the same people you have already taken down.
See this article, for example: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/roast-busters-teen-rape-group-alleged-in-new-zealand-1.2417934
which says:
"The Roast Busters web page was taken down only recently after a media complaint to Facebook. A new page has popped up this week claiming to be a revival of the group. It says, “We’re back. Happy roasting."
What is the point of taking a page down if they can simply restart it? They are also effectively saying ‘screw you’ to facebook itself in so brazenly adding their page back after you stopped it.
As for your standards: “we do not permit individuals or groups to attack others based on their … sex, gender…”.
Think about why you deleted their page last time. Look at the media coverage of the matter in New Zealand and overseas, and how FB looks in letting them back up. These guys use social media to brag about getting a 13 year old girl drunk & raping her. I know you must get a lot of complaints to address, but this one really requires your proper attention and judgment.
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Hard News: Narcissists and bullies, in reply to Richard Aston,
"Mr Tamihere also levelled some criticism at the media reporting of the interview, saying “there’s a bunch of people in the media that hate our guts”:
Yeah right , first its the girls fault now its the media’s fault .
Tamihere will consolidate: It'll be the stupid little girls in the media’s fault.